Summer Programs - Discussion

<p>As a parent of a D going to a summer program, I am no authority, so take what I say with a grain of salt. At OCU, my D did have to send in an audition tape, so my guess is that other schools would be looking at any info you sent in. I would guess there is a first come-first served element to it, but that would be applied to first sufficiently qualified candidates (which would vary by program). </p>

<p>I also get the impression that getting into a MT degree program is way more competitive than getting into most summer programs.</p>

<p>SeaShells29, congratulations to your D on acceptance into BU's Summer Theatre program. Please keep us posted on how she likes the program; if you have nice things to say about it, other students might be interested in following in her footsteps next year! :)
As to your question about how competitive it is to get into summer MT programs, I think the answer is that it varies from program to program. Some, like the one at University of Michigan, require candidates to audition, whereas others, like the one at Carnegie Mellon, don't. Yet some kids are not accepted/rejected to the non-audition programs, too, and from what I can gather, for a variety of reasons. (In some cases, it might be that the candidate did not send in his or her application early enough, and spaces were filled. In others, it might have something to do with the application itself.)
In any case, those who know about these matters tell me that being accepted into a university precollege summer program in MT or theater is NOT indicative that the same candidate will be successful in getting into that college, or any other's! :) regular college level program for MT or theater. MT admission, especially, are EXTREMELY competitive. (I would advise you to take some time and read some of the threads on this board. You will undoubtedly be very surprised at <em>how</em> competitive the "top" programs are.)
Does this take away from the fact that it is truly fantastic that your D is going to BU this summer, and will learn a lot? I hope not. It's what she gets from the experience that will count the most in the long run.
Lisa</p>

<p>Bumping to put this one ahead of the other one :o)</p>

<p>Thanks dramadad and NotMamaRose for your feedback. Believe me, I do know all too well how competitive the MT programs are! My older D auditioned for several of the top MT schools last year and didn't get into any. BTW, she did not do a summer pre-college theater program but had lots of experience in high school, community and professional theater.</p>

<p>The one advantage of BU's summer program is that the students get to audition at the end of it for early decision admission in to the BFA theater program. Of course, they then still have to get admitted to BU academically. I know that there are no gaurantees in life (and particularly not in this business), but my feeling is that making these connections with faculty in the theater department couldn't hurt. With so many equally talented kids auditioning out there for these highly competitive programs, I'm guessing that perhaps the deciding factor might be the prior connection. When you really think about it, the faculty are certainly going to know the talents of students with whom they have worked for several weeks as opposed to someone they see for five minutes in an audition.</p>

<p>Given the circumstances of what happened to my older D, I would recommend that students do a pre-college program if they can. I know that it doesn't gaurantee ANYTHING, but it could possibly open some doors. I think we have all probably experienced the phenomenon of directors casting the SAME people all the time, whether it be high school, community or professional theater. I think it has to do with the fact they have worked with these people, know their talent and know their level of commitment.</p>

<p>Just my opinion, for what it's worth :-) (BTW, how do you insert those "smilies"? I can't figure it out.</p>

<p>Parts of this post are reposted from the CMU thread. I am reposting here and I hope it is useful for someone else. Some info relates specifically to CMU, some is applicable to all programs.</p>

<p>We did quite a bit of early shopping last summer for CMU. I was a little panicked because the dorm stuff did not seem to be out in full force so early. But, Ishouldn't have panicked. We could have bought everything we shipped near campus. I wish we had waited to get these things when we got there, the stress level of preparing would have been less! </p>

<p>We shipped two boxes from Chicago, (we flew rather than drove because we found $29 flights! cheaper than gas!) and wanted his things to be there when he arrived. However, as others have noted, the postoffice was closed and it was rather awkward for my son to collect his boxes during his first day of classes, and carry them to the dorm. We arrived early on Saturday and went to the local Target, 15 minutes from campus. The Target had several parent teen groups as Pitt started it's summer program at the same time. They had plenty of sheets, towels, lamps etc to choose from! Though remember I have a son, and he wasn't TOO picky </p>

<p>He had two sets of sheets, two sets of towels, two fans, one for the window and and rotating one to point straight at him, a spray bottle for cooling also, toiletries, a hamper, cleaning supplies, -- hah! you say? Well, they were used, and they wanted more paper towels! I have the full list somewhere, if you need it I can post or pm it. The room was hot!! It was on the northwest side, not too much sun, a corner so plenty of windows, third floor. The floors were carpeted, so you won't need a rug, the windows have Venetian blinds, so you don't really need curtains. He did bring posters, and photos. Bring extension cords, and power strips. (chargers for cell phones, i-pods, lamp, fans, computer if you bring one, alarm clock, etc.) </p>

<p>I'll dig out the list if you want... let me know. And know this, it will be a great summer!</p>

<h2>This is the list I packed and emailed to my son last summer for CMU’s pre-college program. It contains directions for my son to repack the box at the end.</h2>

<p>Break all boxes down by cutting tape, and store boxes for return, perhaps behind desk. Be sure to refill boxes the same way, use clothing to pad empty space, if things move in the boxes, they will break, and break the box open.</p>

<p>Large box – 36x12x12
Small ironing board (my son likes his shirts pressed, and DID use it!)
Iron, cool, dry, empty and in a plastic bag
Iron cleaner, in case you scorch something
Spray bottle for iron
Dust buster, with base and 3 attachments
Dust wipes, cleaner wipes
First aid kit
Bed risers – did not need, bed height was adjustable
Posters in tube
Poster putty
Sewing kit
3 dozen hangers (remember the ironed shirts!)
Rope lights for ambiance, clear
2 hand towels
1 bath towel</p>

<p>Smaller box – 24x12x12
1 bath towel
Clip on light for the bed, white
Desk light, clear halogen (some school don’t allow halogen at all) actually, as an actor, he barley used his desk
Egg crate cushion
Mattress pad
Two sets sheets, (2 each of fitted, top and pillow case)
Lightweight Quilt
2 extension cords
Power strip - should have two, the chargers are big and take up extra space
Shoe organizer to hang in closet, silver, gives extra compartments for storage</p>

<h2>Collapsible hamper</h2>

<p>Purchased at Target near campus: two fans, cases of water, forgotten toiletries, snack food (fruit/granola/power bars, dried fruit, nuts, etc) for the room -- the cafeteria closes at 7, and the kids are used to snacking, general office supplies, paper clips, stapler, pens, notebooks - these are available at the bookstore, but the price is steep. </p>

<p>In his suitcase he brought his alarm clock, toiletries and clothing, (too many jeans! It’s still a joke here), one dress outfit, for interviews, dinner and other outings - a girl would bring more! Don’t forget dress shoes, belt and sox! His carryon had plays, books, piano music, etc. Don’t forget assorted chargers. He did not bring a computer, he relied on the computer station in the dorm, and it was fine. He asked for us to send an assortment of DVDs as the kids watched movies most nights. He also ‘needed’ money added to his card during parent’s weekend. We had heard that no refunds were given, but we did receive a check a few months later refunding our extra monies.</p>

<p>Carole</p>

<p>SeaShells29, to make these :) you have to insert a colon and then a right hand parentheses. (Yikes, not sure if I said that correctly!) It is the emoticon that looks like a pair of eyes and a smiling mouth!</p>

<p>I am sorry to hear that your older D had a tough time during audition season for the top-tier college level BFA programs. You sure aren't the first person to come on this list with a similar story! It seems to be hard to tell, year to year, just who will get into what program, and why. The only thing that kids can do to increase their chances is (from what I hear from those with more experience than I have!) is to audition for/apply to a reasonable number of programs, and spread those across reaches, matches and safeties, as far as those can be discerned. </p>

<p>What you say about pre college programs allowing faculty to see a student in action -- and that turning out to be an advantage when it comes time to apply for real -- would seem to make common sense. But at least from what people have told me and others on this list, it doesn't seem to be the case, at least at the "top tier" programs.</p>

<p>It would be interesting to try to get an idea of how many kids who do the precollege program at a given college actually end up getting in there for a BFA. I sure would be interested in a poll (however informal) like that, as would others, I am sure. Especially because it doesn't seem to be the case, at least on this list! Anyone have anything to say about this? </p>

<p>L</p>

<p>I purchased the extra long twin bedding online today. Ran across a great bargain that included the sheets, mattress pad, and conforter. Unfortunately the color combination didn't appeal to my S (light green & light blue). But they have a great ivory/pink that would be perfect for the girls. This is a great deal at $40 and from a site I've ordered from regularly. I ended up spending more to order just one sheet set and one mattress pad elsewhere.</p>

<p><a href="http://bedding-and-bath.smartbargains.com/go.sb?pagename=prod&fcloc=cat&deptid=3&catid=118&prodid=3030265238&aid=97%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://bedding-and-bath.smartbargains.com/go.sb?pagename=prod&fcloc=cat&deptid=3&catid=118&prodid=3030265238&aid=97&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>(I'm hoping this isn't against the TOS here).</p>

<p>Did you get your packet? We sent in our deposit 2 weeks ago and have not received anything</p>

<p>For those who have been discussing bedding on this thread and the CMU pre-College thread...I've been smiling because at this time of year every year on CC, talk goes from getting into college to buying egg crate mattresses, extra long sheets, etc. for dorm living. In fact, for any long time readers of the Parent Forums on CC (not MT one), it is a running joke each year: "Time to start talking of egg crate mattresses!" :) Anyway, for those going to dorm style living for summer programs, some of it is similar to going off to college and in fact, whatever you buy now, can be used the next year for college. The stores are more chockful of this stuff in July/August, however. </p>

<p>So, for all of you who are talking of bedding, etc.....I invite you to explore this sticky thread that is in the Parent Cafe at CC:</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=53990%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=53990&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>SoozieVT, Thanks! You are on top of everthing here! I should have known to look around CC before I dug through my old files! :)</p>

<p>Carole</p>

<p>Carole, I figured I'd save ya all time and parents might enjoy all the past discussions on this fun topic (sure beats the stress of admissions....this is the fun part, lol). I've been reading the forums for almost 4 years so if you are around long enough, every topic comes up again every year! I also am a college counselor at College Confidential so I don't read/post just on the MT forum. I realize a lot of people on the MT Forum just read this one but you all might want to explore the other forums on CC and if you are parents, the Parent Forum is a great one. Happy shopping....</p>

<p>kedstuff -- My son attended Northwestern's Cherubs program in Mass Media four years ago and a friend's D attended the Theatre program two
years ago. My S currently is a senior in college there; he flies into O'Hare and generally takes a North Shore Cab to the school. Price for
taxi is about $25 -- you need to call them once you arrive at airport and they arrange a pick up point. I checked my S into the NHSI summer program and attended the final screenings. My friend's D, I believe, flew to O'Hare herself and family friend picked her up for NHSI checkin. My friend flew in for D's final productions -- they are a big deal. Nearby places to stay -- Hilton Gardens University Plaza and The Homestead (an inn). Both are convenient and within very short walking distance to the school. It's a great summer for the kids -- they keep very busy with the right amount of structure vs freedom. Have fun.</p>

<p>Any experiences, suggestions, or thoughts on choosing among CMU in MT(6 weeks), Wesleyan's CCY in MT (5 weeks) and NYSSSA in Theater (4 weeks) for this coming summer? My S is a sophomore in high school and lucky to have such interesting and exciting choices. We are already wondering about this summer in relation to preparing him for the college app process and a career in the arts.</p>

<p>as i've said on other forums, CMU's summer program is absolutely wonderful. i don't really know what your son is looking for in a summer program and I don't know much about your other two options. If he wants to do a show, CMU isn't the right choice. If he wants a really intensive training program, CMU is absolutely the right choice. Feel free to PM me with questions and I can answer them!</p>

<p>My daughter got into NYU TISCH Cap 21 ...heard Friday....did you get in! It does sound like a great program....probably go to go there instead of CMU..Let me know what you are doing?</p>

<p>Went to CMU last summer....alot of work...great experience! Got in to NorthWestern's Musical Ext. this summer, and Cap 21 (6 wk. program). Decided to attend Cap 21 as NW's 7 - (long) day wk. seems too strict.</p>

<p>So...I thought I'd post this for all of the prospective MPulsers. I finally got in contact with every senior from my year (2005) and here are the colleges we are attending. It's an incredible list. We have alum going to MT programs at: Elon, UM (4), Western Michigan U, Baldwin-Wallace, NYU Steinhardt, CCM, BoCo (2), Otterbein, and Emerson. Some kids chose not to take the MT route and will attend vocal programs at: UM (3) and Roosevelt and 2 will be attending Northwestern for Theatre. </p>

<p>There you go...just wanted to shed some light on the success of MPulsers!</p>

<p>My D got her letter of acceptance on Monday, April 24th Is there anyone else who has been before that has insight on what we should know prior to going? Is there any "free-time" on weekends?</p>

<p>Yay, Mpulsers!!!</p>

<p>falloffstage-
That IS quite impressive! I wish we could get the same for some of the other programs.</p>