<p>I didn't apply for any other academy summer seminars; I won't settle for anything less than the Marines.</p>
<p>My sheet just says "twin size bed linens and a pillowcase". </p>
<p>What kind of PT do you do everyday? Like how far do you run?</p>
<p>Are we able to pick our roommates, or no?</p>
<p>PT varies day to day. The most we ran was 2-2.5 miles, I think. TONS of push-ups. Lots and lots. Also, a HUGE amount of flutterkicks. You won't be able to pick your roommates.</p>
<p>summer seminar....good time.....plebe I-day and sea trials are the best part. I know it sounds weird but I can't wait to go through the real thing. I LOVE IT!</p>
<p>Are the flutter-kicks with or without fins? Is the running done first thing in the morning? Are the sea trials a team activity? They sound grueling but fun.</p>
<p>I'm not sure what you mean about the flutter-kicks......PEP (running and workout) is done first thing in the morning, it starts about 5 to 10 mins after reville...Sea trials you do with your squad and for some activities your platoon, great fun.......so far the hardest thing I've done physically before....but yet very do-able if you stay postive.</p>
<p>Would you recomend running shoes/crosstraining or doesn't it matter? So it seems that there is solo physical training and then group competition? Is the solo training judged or ranked? In any event, my son is so excited and can't wait for the whole experience. </p>
<p>Also, the kids know beforehand which classes they will be in?</p>
<p>Our son took cross-trainers and they seem to have worked out fine.</p>
<p>You may take the PEP [might have the acronym wrong], the physical test that each applicant is required to take, while at NASS. This is a scored event. There is a minimum number of points that must be achieved.</p>
<p>As others have mentioned, there is a "Sea Trial" towards the end of the week. This is a group event. Each team is "ranked" but I am not sure it counts for much except for evidence of motivation, etc. Of course, be sure, that attendees are evaluated at the end of the program and, relatively sure, this becomes part of your overall evaluation file sh/ one decide to apply later on.</p>
<p>I went last year, and am basing my answer on that.</p>
<p>The PFT is really the only independant physical training. If your son/daughter does the best out of that class at the seminar, a "Iron Mike" and "Iron Michelle" award is presented at the closing of the camp.</p>
<p>Sea trials are demanding. They give you sweats to go to the obx course, and much of the day is spent in the pool, waddling around the deck quacking like ducks...</p>
<p>good luck to your son.</p>
<p>Gina</p>
<p>Flutter kicks are not in the pool by the way. To do them...lay down on the floor. Take your hands and put them under your butt. Put your legs off the ground about 6 inches...now kick legs in "scissor motion". These are done as a 3 count exercise every day.</p>
<p>Take two pair of shoes. One gets wet/muddy, (and basically ruined) depending on the weather. My son's sweats came back so mud caked they never got clean.</p>
<p>They will take the PAE, a scored component of the application. They will also be rated by their squad leader, and might not know this score either. Both components are important in the application Whole person score.
CM</p>
<p>ok i have a few questions about the pae:</p>
<ol>
<li><p>What exactly does the PAE consist of, just push ups, sit ups, and running? or more?</p></li>
<li><p>What if you fail the PAE, can you take it again? Considering people who don't do the seminar do it in the late summer early fall, arn't we at a disadvantage to take it in june.</p></li>
</ol>
<p>Someone made a comment that each team is ranked. I'm not so sure that is true. My squad actually got split up in a lot of events. Sea Trials is not a competition against other teams, it's more of a competition against yourself. How much can you handle? I went in with the attitude that "This won't be too bad, and I'm not going to quit NO MATTER WHAT." And I didn't, even though I was running on 3 hours of sleep (don't ask) and had thrown up several times the night before from dehydration.</p>
<p>The PRT is administered once or twice during the SS. The PRT, "Physical Readiness Test", consists of push-ups, situps, and a 1.5 mile run. All midshipmen must pass this every semester to my understanding. You're arms are going to be really tired when they administer this, so don't be too upset if you don't do as well on the push-ups. AND they make you go all the way down until your chest hits a shoe, so I'd suggest finding a partner with a big foot. :)</p>
<p>Someone had asked about flutter kicks. We did TONS of those when we were there for SS last year. I think we did something like 50 sets of 3. Another thing they really like is arm rolls. Hold your arms straight out to the side (horizontally) and rotate them in a circular motion. Do this 327 (109 sets of 3) times and you'll do what we did for about 5 minutes in Sea Trials. You'll get quite used to yelling what your Prospective Class year will be as well--for us, it was "Ought 9"--and please excuse the probable gross misspelling of "ought".</p>
<p>See the website for the PAE specs (although it's changing - see the thread to that effect on this forum <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=40195)%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=40195)</a>. Basically, the new one is situps, pullups, pushups, 1 mile run, basketball throw, and 40 yard shuttle run.</p>
<p>If you fail the summer seminar PAE, you can take it again. It's a freebie.</p>
<p>JQ
If you participate in sports, you may be at an advantage taking it in June, at the conclusion of your sports season. By fall, many have taken the summer off and are relatively out of shape. You can retake if you do not like your first results. I suggest that when you get your application packet, that you PRACTICE each element until you have confidence prior to actually taking the test, to maximize your scores.
CM</p>
<p>What is the basketfall toss? Also is the 40 yrd shuttle just a straight timed sprint?
What are the min/max scores?</p>
<p>First of all, why isn't "Oregon Son" asking these questions? Does he want to serve, or do you want to start off tea-party conversations with "My son, at the Academy..." I do my best to learn all I can about the admissions process without the help and guidence of my mother. After all, she will not be a cadet with me.
The "basketfall toss" is done from a kneeling position. You bring your arm back and fire the ball as far as possible. 70ft. is a reasonable throw. If the shuttle run was a straight timed sprint, it would not be called a shuttle run. The old PAE was 300 yds and was done at 25 yd stretches. Now, the 40 yd shuttle run is done at 10 yd stretches. Also, the candidate must pick up and place two blocks during the sprint. The AFA has complete directions on their website. The others definetly are using the new format, but have not updated their information yet. In the future, have your son call his liaison officer for these details.</p>
<p>jr,
Hmmm...unresolved Oedipal issues? Let's play nice on College Confidential.</p>
<p>Well, we've had this discussion before. I'm not saying that having an overactive parent is good or bad...but to make it into an academy, your son/daughter really needs to be pro-active...THEY need to do the whole application. THEY need to bug their liason officer. NOT you. Because you know what...if they're not willing to do all the work for this tiny application. They're not going to be willing to do the work at the academy. I know you think you're helping your kids, but a decision like this cannot be made by a parent. Your kids have to want it so bad there is no other college for them. Because if they don't, and they get in, they are the ones who end up back at home in the middle of plebe summer. </p>
<p>I'm not pretending to act like I know everything, I'm just saying that too much parental involvement shows, to me, a lack of interest on the child's behalf. It would be one thing to say..."Oooh, son/daughter, I found a website where you can get all kinds of info about USNA or USMA or wherever your heart desires." Totally another thing to be the one doing the application for your prospective...to be the one calling the liason officer...etc.</p>
<p>Much love,
Gina</p>
<p>But - that's not what Oregonmom is suggesting. She's just trying to get info. Obviously, it'll be her son who's going to do the PAE. So perhaps we could just all chill a bit?</p>
<p>Oregonmom - if you follow the links in my earlier post, you'll get all the info you need on the PAE. Make sure your son understands that practicing makes a difference.</p>
<p>KL, once again, I agree w/ you.</p>
<p>OregonMom is asking questions. That does not necessarily imply that her son/daughter doesn't know or care about these things. [Perhaps, for example, her s/d just hasn't told mom about them.] My son, for example, thinks this site is silly, has only visited once to my knowledge, and is preparing for I-day as I type. I have sought information, partly out of curiosity, partly out of boredom, but also because, as an adult, I think of potential problem areas that he does not sometimes think about; so, I look for answers.</p>
<p>Yes, this site is filled w/ parents seeking information. The application process is long, difficult, and filled with uncertainty. As you progress, you will realize this. There are very few people that show up on I-day [uh, that would be Induction day for us civilians -- :)] that have not had significant parental involvment. [After having gone through the entire college application process, I am now convinced that few, very few, students would be accepted into any quality institutions if it were not for parental involvment, i.e., coming up with essay subjects, reviewing essays, making sure deadlines are met, mailing information, paying fees, etc., etc., etc.]</p>
<p>I would rather have a parent asking questions than have a teenager write declarative evaluations of another's chances. [As happens a lot during certain times of the year.] In short, we don't know what OM's circumstance are.</p>
<p>At this time last year, we were also full of uncertainty about USNA-related questions. Repeated questions and a LOT of hard work have gotten us [yes, I say "us"] to where we are . . . preparing for I-day. </p>
<p>OM . . . ask away. Just make sure you take everything w/ a grain of salt.</p>