<p>yes, my mistake. some SUNYS have 10% OOS, like Binghamton. In any event, the local taxpayers may put a lot of pressure on their state reps. My guess -- state legislature will listen to local taxpayers, and deal with it. It may get ugly if you think this private to public shift will go for a few years. Their reaction may be keeping local consitutets happy is more important than geographical diversity. What is scary is putting eggs in one basket, if tuition goes up 20% every year for 4 years.</p>
<p>Many northern (cold climate) kids want to go south to get a taste of warm weather living. The southern kids don't want to go north and spend their academic years in 0 degree weather with snow every other day.</p>
<p>SUNY's have diversity in other ways which are more relevant than geography. International students, racial diversity, economic diversity, religious diversity, and sexual orientation differences contribute to the diversity of the SUNY campuses. Geographic diversity should not be a priority.</p>
<p>kayf, You are right, and that might keep us away from SUNYs. </p>
<p>nysmile, that is a nice thought, and sure there are some warm climate snow bunnies, but I really don't know what that breakdown might be. Still, SUNYs are not attracting too many southern kids if you look at the numbers.</p>
<p>yes, agreed, but then taxpayers may just decide no need to expand SUNY spots, put a cap on enrollment, and increase tuition for OOS and if less come, no big deal.</p>
<p>No big deal to you, but I think that it is still a big deal to many. They have to satisfy various diversity issues, mission statements, goals and objectives, watch their rankings, etc. They are not operating in a vacuum.</p>
<p>What southern kid in their right mind would choose a SUNY school with frigid temperatures over their own public instate schools or surrounding warm climate state publics? Very few I imagine. SUNY's have diversity--as described in post #22.</p>
<p>Northeastern, I am so sorry, YES IT IS A BIG DEAL TO ME. I meant no big deal to state legislarures.</p>
<p>LOL, I thought you were in denial nysmile, and trying to tell me that southern kids wanted to spend their college years freezing. I misread your post, LOL. There are some who would, but not most. You need to love skiing, snowmobiling, etc. to come to NY. States like NC and VA have great public Us. anyway.</p>
<p>kayf, Oh, I understand. Still, as I said, they don't operate in a vacuum, and there are goals/objectives/rankings. They must have some need for a certain % of OOS students, at least I would think that they do.</p>
<p>The fact is in today's economy, a lot of people, including the state legislatures, are caught between a rock and a hard place. Faced with NY residents wanting more spots in SUNYs and either funding that, and then laying off other civil servants, it may get ugly. IMHO, there will be no easy choices.</p>
<p>The fact remains that the SUNYs are state supported and still bargains compared to other schools for OOS students. It is not in the interest of the state to subsidize educations of students from other states. Yes, they compete at a disadvantage due to weather, but they still have some good programs. I do think they should have offered a lesser increase to current students.</p>
<p>Erin's Dad, </p>
<p>I agree, and I think this is the most problematic part. As I posted earlier, they should have a two tier increase, one for new OOS and one for grandfathered. And new applicants who are watching are worried will be they be facing annual 20% increases -- over 4 years. But to have 20% per year will likely not result in less OOS's applicants initially, whereas a 7% increase for exsisting OOSs and a market based increase, from say 12 to 20, for new OOss will likely result in less OOSs applicants -- buit will become increasing painful to people applying currently.</p>
<p>I'm certainly not complaining about the OSS cost, even with the increase. I am amazed that our region doesn't send more kids to SUNY Buffalo, which is only 3-4 hours away, and offers wonderful programs such as architecture, nuclear medical technology and pharmacy at a reasonable cost. SUNY Buffalo's speakers program has given my kids opportunities to hear the Dali Lama, Colin Powell, Al Gore and others. Family weekends are a blast, with great comedians and other entertainment. Welcome weekends include great concerts for free. My kid has had no problem scheduling classes, getting research opportunities, or meeting with professors, and has found the administration to be universally helpful. The dorms are typical, but there are opportunities for freshmen to get singles if so desired.</p>
<p>Our high school (approx. 300-350 seniors) has a giant map where pins are used annually to flag the college choices of the students in each graduating class. About 95% of our high school students go to college. I'm always surprised at how frequently the same schools show up (Penn State, Pitt, and a few local LACs). Few kids actually go off to different states, except for several each year that go to the same Ohio schools (OSU, Miami and Ohio U) or the students who attend Ivys or well-known schools such as Notre Dame. </p>
<p>I've been reading the map now for almost eight years, as my kids have gone through the high school...and my kids are the only ones who have gone to a SUNY (except for one Div. I athete). For whatever reason, it appears that at least in our region, few even consider the SUNY options. My kid at SUNY has met a few students from Michigan and lots of international students, but only one other PA student at SUNY Buffalo. Not sure why, but the numbers appear to bear out that SUNY Buffalo just isn't attracting many OSS students even with the reasonable cost and attractive programs.</p>
<p>I just did a search on college board- asking for the largest public schools in New England and the Mid Atlantic. Sorted by oos tuition and fees they are:</p>
<pre><code> cost % of oos students
</code></pre>
<p>Stony Brook 12,000 8
Buffalo 12,500 7
Towson 17,900 30
Temple 20,500 28
Delaware 21,200 70
Rutgers 21,500 10
UMass 21,700 23
Maryland 23,100 35
UConn 24000 29
Penn St 25,000 32</p>
<p>unlike neonzues, we live in NJ and a decent # of our students have figured out that SUNY schools make sense....it's mostly Binghamton that has attracted them, but in all honesty, it's probably because sooo many Bing alumni have settled in NJ....even 30 years ago there was a decent NJ population there....</p>
<p>Now, Buffalo, Geneseo and Albany are attracting the NJ population....and New Paltz is coming up on the radar as well....</p>
<p>at least an OOS student will know that NYS will not in the near future be laying out $2 million for a football coach for it's state flagship....hint, hint.....</p>
<p>You need to compare based on Total Cost (tuition,room and board, food, fees)</p>
<p>for instance--University of Conn.----total around $33,000 for OOS, not $24,000.</p>
<p>For OOS, SUNY's are still priced too low relative to other schools in this part of the country. NYS is justified in raising the OOS tuition at a higher % rate than for NYS residents. Geographic diversity within the states is of little value when compared to the diversity that International students bring to the table (love the fact that SUNY's have a good proportion of International students). SUNY kids learn a lot from interacting with and having international students as their peers and friends. Bringing in a kid from Penn., Conn., Rhode Island, Vermont, etc. should not be considered in any shape or form as bringing in diversity.</p>
<p>NYSmile,</p>
<p>You raise a good point -- and I dont disagree -- that students from neighboring states dont increase any real diversity. New York has urban, rural, suburban, all ethnic groups etc. I am just trying to read the tea leaves.</p>
<p>rodney- the turnaround of the football program will make the State university a more attractive option for many applicants. NJ has had a difficult time keeping our students in state the $2 million paid to a coach is money well spent if it gets kids to stay home and alumni to donate.</p>
<p>This is one area where I agree with barron.</p>
<p>Oh BS for football. I grew up in NJ. 3 kids in my family. All went out of state, only 1 to a football powerhouse. There are a lot of reasons many children in NJ go out of state, including, NJ, being small, is close to many states, NJ has high COLA, many parents can afford for kids to go to private schools.</p>
<p>Also, our instate COA at over 21k is not a bargain depending upon your EFC. If your EFC is 20k then private school might come in costing close to what Rutgers costs. If your EFC is above 30k, then Rutgers might be the best bang for your buck, if you can handle some very large class sizes and negotiate what you need from a large campus.</p>
<p>I am not saying Rutgers isnt a great school -- depends on the student. The coach only matters if you are playing football.</p>