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ANYONE who thinks that in our OR our children's lifetime will see a world without war/global conflict really needs to study up on history and human nature.
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<p>If you have any hopes for this generation's future, then you better pray (or whatever) that there is no large military conflict on the scale of the World Wars of the 20th century. This isn't a matter of the US maintaining its hegemony. It's a matter of the world not engaging in full nuclear conflict.</p>
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The soldiers are predominantly poor, underpriveleged youths who are nearly forced to enlist in the military because of their financial situation.
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<p>Talk about not having a clue. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>I'm done with this and the rest of the Berzerkley Blockheads. They obviously have nothing better to do than to come over here and pontificate about things they know NOTHING about. </p>
<p>Must be tough being a pampered Momma's Boy at an "elite" college. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Hang on a sec,</p>
<p>Now, I'm more than willing to admit that Berkeley has its share of leftists nuts, but a hasty generalization is also unfair. I know plenty of libertarians, Republicans, and "conservatives" of all sorts at Berkeley, UCLA, Harvard, and other top schools.</p>
<p>Sure. They're the ones kept in glass jars so the 99.99% remainder of the campus can goggle at them as examples of underdeveloped intellects. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Zaphod,</p>
<p>I know you're being facetious, but you really ought to check out the fairly large (and growing) contingent of conservative students at Cal and UCLA. A friend of mine leads the Bruin Republicans, and he says that he has no problems filling their ranks.</p>
<p>I sincerely hope you're right. </p>
<p>Apparently, the past few years has seen an uptick in Conservative organizations being established on various campi, and polls indicate that the upcoming generation is more deeply Conservative than previous generations. This bodes well for America.</p>
<p>Of course, all you hear about these new organizations is when the "tolerant" liberals on campus go bat*hit crazy and demand that the organizations be banned, defunded, driven off campus, etc. Means we must be winning. ;)</p>
<p>I love when people come along like that and make stupid comments. I think this is a record for us...we filled out page 1 (40 posts) in less than 24 hours.</p>
<p>You should see the thread in the Parents forum. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>I think the Navy boys in in this thread are being a little too harsh. It's a little rude to deem someone "pathetic" just because they are voicing their opinions, no matter how wrong they may be. Berkeley and Navy are DIFFERENT, and the people who elect to go to those schools are VERY different. But I'm sure there are plenty of people at a service academy who don't trust or like the current president and his administration. Bush is obviously a pretty smart guy and knows what's good for the country and what is not....sometimes he doesn't show it. All the rest is almost conspiracy theory. I don't think the Berkeley kids were deliberatly trying to find a fight.</p>
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It's a little rude to deem someone "pathetic" just because they are voicing their opinions, no matter how wrong they may be.
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Their VIEWS are pathetic, not the fact they are voicing them.</p>
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Thank God! Can you imagine the Berkeley Bunch in command of our Navy?</p>
<p>Pink ships that shoot bouquets of flowers! :rolleyes:</p>
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Then I respectfully submit that you haven't been paying attention. One does not walk into another's house and drop a turd on the floor and then claim not to have wanted to start something. The Berkeley Bunch is doing exactly that.</p>
<p>You don't see any of us going over to the Berkeley forum and starting crap over there, do you? As many have said, this is not a political forum. It's a forum about colleges and (in this corner of the site) the Service Academies. What, then, would those with ZERO attachment to ANY SA be doing HERE starting threads like THIS if NOT to start a fight?</p>
<p>Good grief! I don't even post in the University of Miami forum, and I'm an ALUMNI! I don't post in the other SA forums because I have no business there! Sadly, the whackos on the left don't seem to have a similar sense of tact or decorum. </p>
<p>Or hygiene, for that matter. Ever have to STAND next to one of them? :eek:</p>
<p>Ah Z, it's the land of cereal - fruit, nuts and flakes! ;)</p>
<p>haha, i love that, thats hilarious</p>
<p>Oh, and conservative doesn't = GOP. I'm a proud democrat who will never join the Berkeley Republicans, but I consider myself conservative. [off topic: I love the California Patriot (a conservative blog at Cal).]</p>
<p>But anyway, there are so many things I can address here, but one statement stuck out to me:</p>
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<p>IMHO, these people are full of $HIT.</p>
<p>How can you support someone, but not what they do? That's like saying you support the meat butcher...but not the killing of animals. It just doesn't work that way.
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<p>No, it's not bull. The people on the frontlines aren't the ones that decide if the country goes to war, or even the Joint Chiefs. It's the civilian leaders that brought us into the war, and the military is an agency/institution which is used to achieve whatever goals. No one denies that those in the armed forces are proud of serving their country. So, I support the troops and military tremendously, but I don't agree with the war. BTW, I plan on earning a commission into the Navy after graduating from the "People's Republic of Berkeley" (what a stupid name).</p>
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<p>Accurate, though! :D</p>
<p>Not any better when leftists call right-wingers "Blood-loving fascists."</p>
<p>Both sides seem to think that they're above all the name calling.</p>
<p>"Bush is obviously a pretty smart guy and knows what's good for the country and what is not....sometimes he doesn't show it"</p>
<p>I don't know if I would go that far! But otherwise, I am agreeing with most everything the regular posters are saying. I especially like the kid who said he is tending towards independence because of the nuts in both parties. And who posted the Unity08 party stuff? Was that you Zaphod. Excellent.</p>
<p>But the Bezerkos are really off . . . once again. </p>
<p>WARNING: Would you stand around a party and debate ANYBODY under the age of 23 in a party? STOP! It's madness. They haven't a clue!</p>
<p>One saying is that the more you have to conserve, the more conservative you become. Become a worthwhile member of society before you speak. [Yeah, yeah, its your right, okay, heard that before.] I was around when we were protesting the Shah or Iran and I was sick of the middle east then, too!</p>
<p>Bush has been a screw-up. The problem is that the Democratic, liberal goofs didn't do any better a job of dealing with middle east terrorism when they should have. USS Cole. Embassy bombings. First world trade center bombing.</p>
<p>You got better answers? Run for office and make a difference. Otherwise, you're just like C23. Blabbing your mouth with no substance behind it.</p>
<p>Darn, I got involved after all . . .</p>
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<p>Nope, but I did post the Peggy Noonan column that's an interesting read along those lines.</p>
<p>Doesn't it seem like Bush has changed? The part I liked about George Bush was "bring it on" not this milk-toast attitude he seems to have currently in most areas except the economy. It also seems like he has not supported the marines enough re: Haditha. He hasn't said anything about not letting the press try/convict the marines until all the facts are out. Murtha also seems to be jumping the gun as well. Any thoughts?</p>
<p>I agree completely. I don't know what the hell he's doing anymore. He has become a shell of himself.</p>
<p>Someone here posted it earlier in another thread: In trying to please everyone, he is pleasing no one.</p>
<p>LEAD, for heaven's sake! :rolleyes:</p>
<p>The problems and fighting in the Middle East go back a couple thousand years. The deposed Shah of Iran and his father brought progressive ideas to the country along with friendship to the U.S. Non-Moslem minority groups in the country lived good lives and religious/cultural tolerance was high. Was it perfect? Absolutely not. What country or leader is perfect? The fact that a bunch of vermin could completely embarass the U.S. in front of the entire world while Jimmy Carter was president fueled the centuries-old hatred . Try to remember all of the yellow ribbons and counting down the days the hostages were held.</p>
<p>9/11 was not the beginning of this war. It was a point (and a mighty big point) on the continuum that goes way back. If we look back at all of the different points on this continuum, we will see a common factor. What group has been involved in or started each of the acts of aggression? </p>
<p>I don't like war - I detest it. However, there is an enemy has destroyed innocent people for many years and wants to continue doing so. The kids on this forum believe that this destruction cannot be allowed. I commend all of you for making such a strong commitment based on your belief. </p>
<p>As I have said before, the people who most want peace are the military and their loved ones. If we never went to war in Iraq, would we be guaranteed peace? If our troops leave tomorrow, will Iraq have peace? Unfortunately, the answer is "no".</p>