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<p>Well, since you brought up the topic of Iran, here's what REALLY happened. Mosagdegh was the democratically elected president of Iran in the 1950's and he was loved by the people of Iran. He won overwhemlmingly with over 85% of the vote. However, the US hated him. Why? Because he nationalized the oil. Before he came into power, oil was being given away to Britain and the US for pennies and he did not want this kind of exploitation. He charged the Western countries much higher than the oil industry liked (By the way, they are the 3rd largest oil producing country in the world). Mosagdegh was a nationalist and he did not want foreign companies to come into his country and drive out their native competitors. He never posed any kind of danger to anyone, in fact he was an isolationist. Since the oil industry in the US did not like his nationalism of Iran's oil industry, they initiated a military coup. Mosagdegh was overthrown and replaced by the Shah, who was very very friendly to US business. The Shah was basically a puppet of the West. The country did not like the Shah at all. He was very corrupt and made all kinds of secret deals with American businesses in the form of bribes. The peopel hated him so much that on any given day in 1979, there would upwards of a million people marching on the streets demanding that he resign. He was replaced by the Muslim Ayatollas. The Ayatollas are very backward people that treat women very unfairly and unfortunately, there is no democracy in Iran anymore. So, it was thus the US that overthrew a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED president because of their greed. All this is documented in papers released just a few years ago by the CIA. The US does not want Democracies in the Mid East, they only want democracies that are friendly to US business.<br>
By the way i dont get my info from Michael Moore. Noam Chomsky, Robert Fisk, Howard Zinnn, and other journalists and intellectuals are where i get my news from. </p>

<p>"And yet you never get news from the SOURCE. That's the problem. You aren't THERE. You can't possibly get the full story because unless you have the ability to go there and do the journalists' job for them, you will only hear what they choose to tell you."</p>

<p>Well, wpwannabe, if you cant get your news from respected journalists, then who? The military? President Bush? Donald Rumsfeld? Of course these are all completely unbiased sources if news. Propoganda is really what it is. </p>

<p>"So you're saying that military service is compulsory for underpriveledged youth in America? How about you let the impoverished of America stick up for themselves for once, eh? We have (amazingly) a 100% VOLUNTEER force. Nobody forces anyone into enlistment. There are plenty of options for people that don't include military service. However, the military provides great opportunities that those same "underpriveledged" youth could not get anywhere else."</p>

<p>You know that i never said that military service is compulsory for underpriveleged youth. I said that most of the people in the military are poor. For example, i grew up in Beverly Hills and not once did i ever see a military officer recruiting at my high school. I talk to my friends that go to other schools that are not as priveleged and they say that the military is on their campus very often, hoping to recruit young students. Why is that???</p>

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You know that i never said that military service is compulsory for underpriveleged youth. I said that most of the people in the military are poor. For example, i grew up in Beverly Hills and not once did i ever see a military officer recruiting at my high school. I talk to my friends that go to other schools that are not as priveleged and they say that the military is on their campus very often, hoping to recruit young students. Why is that???

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<p>First of all your story is completely anecdotal. Perhaps recruiters didn't have much success at your school, perhaps your school discouraged it, who knows.</p>

<p>Secondly, what do you want here? What is it that someone like you wants? Socialism? Statistically pure worlds? Do you think that too many college-educated people become CEOs? Perhaps there should be some car mechanics running AutoZone, because of course everyone has to be equal. Do you think that too many good athletes get into the olympics? Perhaps we should take some people that aren't quite as good, because of course everyone has to be equal.</p>

<p>Do you want to turn away poor people from the military, robbing them of GI Bills and the like? Like two former Navy enlisted I worked with, both of whom got money through that to go to college, and to turn their lives around. Perhaps the Navy should've turned then down and then... forced rich people in? That would, of course, get rid of the all-volunteer force, rob someone worthy of the benefits and decrease morale, but it would make you happy, right?</p>

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<p>Your missing my point. I understand that there are some opportunities in the military for the poor, BUT why doesn't the rich enlist the way the poor does? You're making a lot of excuses for these rich people. OK, at my school it was just a coincidence that the military doesnt recruit and the school is very wealthy. But take any wealthy school and see if there is any military recruiting there. My school is not the exception, it is the norm. I dont think you disagree that the military recruits MUCH MUCH more in underpriveleged communities than in wealthy ones. Its a no-brainer. Let me no if you disagree.</p>

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<p><a href="http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html&lt;/a>
<a href="http://www.fatherryan.org/blackmilitary/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.fatherryan.org/blackmilitary/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>These two sites show that 33% of the military is made up of Blacks while they only constitute 12% of the US population. Again, why is that?? Think about it. Why is it that they overwhelmingly disproportionately represented in the military. Is it because they are more patriotic, or what? Its probably because they tend to be poor, eh?</p>

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<p>ab-med,</p>

<p>1979 in isolation does not represent how the Iranians felt about the Shah. He and his father were beloved by many of the citizens of Iran. The children of those millions who marched in 1979 are now begging for support in replacing the corrupt and cruel mullahs. Many of the marchers realize that they were caught up in foolish ideals that have gone very, very bad. Iran is a country with a beautiful history and culture. Unfortunately, events of recent years lead people to think incorrectly that the country is filled with the likes of their current leadership. Nothing could be further from the truth. A book you may want to consider reading is "A Persian Odyssey: Iran Revisited". </p>

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<p>AB_MED I commend you, especially about that part about Iran. These people don't get it. Read Al Franken's "Lies and the Liars who Tell Them" , I am not sure of the exact title though. We should create a database of the comments that were made by these people and circulate them throughout the College Confidential COmmunity, because since you know all college students are commiess we should have no problem putting these people on a blacklist or just cleansing this site of this Waco-sympathiers subsection.</p>

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<p>momoftwins go to hell , i bet you can even count the number of iranians you talked to with one hand. Yu're trying to tell us HOW MY people felt. 1979 was a backlash from the coup of 1954 by American CIA-Gestapo people. If you want to hear the real story read "secrets of the revolution".</p>

<p>I love how you completely ignored the part about Mossadegh. And the people in 1979 were marching to get rid of the Shah because they wanted to vote for their leaders and not allow Shah, a persian word for King to dictate to others. Yes those are real foolish ideas.</p>

<p>You don't speak for anyone, so step off bi-tch.</p>

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Your missing my point. I understand that there are some opportunities in the military for the poor, BUT why doesn't the rich enlist the way the poor does? You're making a lot of excuses for these rich people. OK, at my school it was just a coincidence that the military doesnt recruit and the school is very wealthy. But take any wealthy school and see if there is any military recruiting there. My school is not the exception, it is the norm. I dont think you disagree that the military recruits MUCH MUCH more in underpriveleged communities than in wealthy ones. Its a no-brainer. Let me no if you disagree.

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<p>Let me know when "your" able to figure out the English language and "no" enough to speak it properly.</p>

<p>Your grammar is so bad it doesn't even consistently suck.</p>

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These two sites show that 33% of the military is made up of Blacks while they only constitute 12% of the US population. Again, why is that?? Think about it. Why is it that they overwhelmingly disproportionately represented in the military. Is it because they are more patriotic, or what? Its probably because they tend to be poor, eh?

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<p>Again, the military offers more to poor people than it can to rich people. If you have the money for college, most people aren't going to enlist because they don't need it. They won't do ROTC because they don't care.</p>

<p>However, again, re-read my post. Like I said, how would you like this to be solved? Blacks tend to be poorer than whites, poor people enlist more in the military. Ergo, blacks enlist more in the military. Okay, now how are we going to solve this? Is there a magic hand holding them down? Should we just give them money? Should we force rich people into the military?</p>

<p>You're pointing out problems in our society, things that don't fit into your perfect socialist/utopian view of the world, yet offer no solutions.</p>

<p>I do not see these as problems (except for the blacks, as we have them believing they'll always need help when they're just as capable). I see these as natural in a democratic and capitalist society. More poor people take advantage of assisted income systems, that's unfair to the rich, right? Handicapped people get their own parking spaces, is that unfair? Or is "unfair" merely when the privelaged have things the less privelaged don't, while at the same time we are giving those with less every opportunity to advance themselves and become more. Yet this does not appear to be enough for you. So I ask, what is?</p>

<p>What is your solution?</p>

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<p>My solution: the Draft, if we have to have this enormous military. By the way, we spend more on our military than every European country combined. Seem a little excessive?</p>

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<p>And we can also kick the crap out of the entire world, simultaneously. Nothing is excessive except the number of pussy-footing politicians afraid to use our military might, preferring to "talk" to lunatics like they give a crap about diplomacy.</p>

<p>The reason we have this enormous military (which is too small) is because of countries like North Korea, China, Iran, Iraq (not any more, we owned you), Afghanistan (not any more, we owned you), Syria... the list goes on.</p>

<p>So you want to bring back the draft? You're serious? That's your grand answer. You want to take a great thing (all volunteer) and ruin it to make everyone equal. So you'll force people who don't want to be in there to take the place of people who want to make use of the GI Bill (like the two guys with whom I worked). That would seem to make things less fair, but at least you could sleep at night knowing Joe Patriot is serving at McDonald's while Bill Gate's son is in Iraq, both hating what they're doing.</p>

<p>Liberalism: the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, can help themselves.</p>

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<p>confused,</p>

<p>Most people here know that I do not get involved in political discussions. And I usually just gently nudge someone who is offensive. You, however, are an unthinking little brat with a very narrow-minded view. My entire family is from Iran. I had friends and family executed by the mullahs. You need to grow up and not make wrong assumptions about people. Passionate discussion is a very positive experience. Your rudeness and language are intolerable.</p>

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<p>You're telling me we with a straight face that you are Iranian, and represantitive the majority of the population( when it comes to religion), if you catch my drift.</p>

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<p>What is a "represantitive"?</p>

<p>And finally, your post has been reported. I would urge you to not talk to women (especially those senior to you) in such a way. Because if I ever heard you say that to someone in person, I'd kick your ass.</p>

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<p>wow. this isn't somewhere i'd usually jump in, having left-leaning sympathies myself. but confused, s t f u and stop making me, as a liberal, look bad. seriously. telling people to "go to hell" and calling her a bi-tch is so juvenile that i actually feel a wave of pity welling up inside me for the pathetic waste your life must be. go get a life. i think its amazingly humorous that you, as a clearly proud ex-pat iranian, are in an american SA board. when i'm in the CIA, which i will be after my committment to the navy is up, i'll remember your sentiments. of course by that time Ahmadinejad will probably be languishing in a cell at gitmo and iran's dreams of a nuclear program will be what they always should have been: sick fantasies entertained by lunatics, and nothing more.</p>

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<p>Iran's nuclear ambitions have nothing to do with the current president. Those ambitions started in the 1950's supported by the Americans mind you. She made a large generalization and in her previous post tried to distort history. I don't like the current regime,but to insinuate that the Shah was anything less than a dictator who should have been finished the way of the last Czar is heretical. I don't like religious people, let alone religious leaders,but to think that what happend in 1979 did not take place because of the actionsnof 1953 is foolish.</p>

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<p>and watch your mouth when you're talking to a woman.</p>

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<p>oh and i'm sure that you represent the feelings of all iranians as well. funny, because my close friend esmael, whose parents fled iran after the 79 coup, doesn't share your views. so stop throwing the word "generalization" around you hypocrite.</p>

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<p>TacticalNuke, you are the most arrogant person i have ever heard. Why the hell would you want to "kick the crap out of the whole world?" Do you have no compassion whatsoever? With you're CRAZY mentality, we might as well start a nuclear war and make the human species extinct. By the way, we were on the brink of nuclear war during the nuclear missile crisis. Your words are completetly meaningless and reckless. Look at what we've done in Iraq. Is it in the country's highest moral judgement to invade a country that is predominantly comprised of women and children? At least 40,000 Iraqi CIVILIANS have died since we invaded...Is that fair? What did they do to deserve this? Here's the site with the info, <a href="http://www.iraqbodycount.net/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.iraqbodycount.net/&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p>

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<p>We have the capability of kicking the crap out of the whole world. Point to where I said I wanted to.</p>

<p>And, if I recall correctly, we had two world wars during which time we were essentially on our own. So, it isn't silly to think that we may have to do so again.</p>

<p>And again, Mr. Berkeley, "your" is possessive and "you're" is a contraction for "you are". Please, use them properly. Reading your posting the way it is makes my eyes bleed.</p>

<p>Oh look, an unbiased source. And, per liberal mantra, you bring Iraq into this. Not Afghanistan, because that's old and cliche, but Iraq.</p>

<p>Answer my previous post about the draft instead of starting a new line of conversation after abandoning the old one due to ownage.</p>

<p>Composed predominantly of women and children? Is that even possible? Where do you get this information?</p>

<p>The liberation of an oppressed people should really appeal to you. You liberals love that stuff. You love helping people in this nation who don't even deserve it, but can't bear to see people who need help get assistance.</p>

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<p>Is this idiocy still ongoing? :confused:</p>