The Conservative and Republican Thread

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<p>GREAT FORUM. GREAT IDEA. </p>

<p>Supporter of Bush here. I don't necessarily support some of his domestic policies, but i don't care because foreign conflicts are most important right now and he's doing what Clinton should have been doing before him. Finally, a man willing to take action. Oh, and liberal are whiners. They have no realistic policies. I especially enjoyed Kerry's first debate where he, with no emotion, just rattled off idealistic solutions to every problem, "Yeah, I'm gonna do this....then i'm gonna do this..." It thoroughly entertained me. He didn't really care about anything. He had just done his issue homework really well like a 6th grader. Liberals are people who feel that the government should help everyone with everything. All problems have socio-economic roots. They will never admit that a person who is homeless is homeless because he a lazy bum who dropped out of high school and did not feel like contributing to society. No. He is homeless because he has been "oppressed" in our society. Conservatives go back to an ideology - not even an ideology, more like common sense - that people are responsible for their own destiny.</p>

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<p>Exactly right. It all boils down to personal responsibility. Conservatives believe that we are responsible for ourselves, liberals believe that the government is responsible for taking care of us.</p>

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<p>"They will never admit that a person who is homeless is homeless because he a lazy bum who dropped out of high school and did not feel like contributing to society"
Well, then why is it that nearly 40% of the male homeless population are veterans? of which 45% suffer from from mental illness, substance abuse problems, and lingering post traumatic stress. Who sent them to war? More than half a million veterans will experience homelessness this year. How exactly did they fail to pay their debt to society? America needs to remember those who fought for her. Beyond that, a substantial % of the homeless population are children born to substance abusing parents or often abusive parents. This isn't their fault and when society does nothing to help them get into a school and a warm bed at night, how can we expect any better from them. It is ignorant to think that every homeless person is just a lazy bum who refuses to contribute to society, I'm sure most of them would give anything to trade lives with you.</p>

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<p>Here's what we'll do. Why don't the Dems go create their own thread, and we can set a date for an extensive debate. Please don't come in our party "headquarters" and ruin the rally that we're trying to achieve.</p>

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<p>Angrod, if you say that upholding responsibility for one's actions, why couldn't Bush find one problem with his policies over the past four years, as he was asked in the second debate? Why hasn't the Pentagon taken responsibility for the Abu Gharib Prison Scandal? Why hasn't Rumsfeld taken responsibility for the thousands of innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan who have been killed, but in records are listed as collateral damage?</p>

<p>I highly doubt that the Republican Party is the bastion of responsibility. As a liberal, I do not believe that the government is responsible for taking care of me. I do believe in a social security plan for seniors, I do believe in a better setup welfare system where people aren't just handed checks, but forced to go and get a job as the government pays for some sort of job training at a community college. I do not believe in affirmative action or any company or school that uses it. </p>

<p>There is much more to liberal policy than conservatives give credit for.</p>

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<p>trying to achieve? you're right I'm leaving this bastion of evil.....</p>

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<p>thank you jaug, I'm glad someone concerns themselves with the truth, the ignorance and closed mindedness of the responses is stifling and your post is refreshing.</p>

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<p>Bastion of evil? Aren't we launching ad hominem assaults here? Are you trying to imply that the Republican Party and all its members are evil, or misguided? </p>

<p>Fact of the matter is, I can't quite make out what exactly liberal policy is. You guys can't decide on a stable party platform whether or not to go with the mainstream centrist theory or appeal to the more extremist left.</p>

<p>At least we have our bearings straight.</p>

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<p>I'll concede that, I wish my party would grow a back bone</p>

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<p>"I do believe in a better setup welfare system where people aren't just handed checks, but forced to go and get a job as the government pays for some sort of job training at a community college. I do not believe in affirmative action or any company or school that uses it"</p>

<p>Sorry to break it to you buddy...you just went AGAINST liberal beliefs. Liberals are FOR affirmative action. And its conservatives who feel that people on welfare should be forced to get a job. You can't just say there is "much more to liberal policy" just because you throw in a few conservative beliefs.<br>
And collegeconfusion, you just admitted what i said. Those veterans are showered with benefits. The government provides shelters for them. They provide them with perfect insurance. There is absolutely NO reason that they are out on the streets. So...if they are...don't expect me to take up their cause and cry over them becuase they obviously don't feel like doing anything themselves. </p>

<p>And here's more liberal propaganda....OMG, A POOR CHILD IS ABUSED BY HIS PARENTS...now he'll OBVIOUSLY grow up to be homeless and poor and we, as good upstanding citizens...need to help him. ********...having a bad childhood is not the end of all things. Having a good childhood is a privilege...its not a right. Even if one has a bad childhood, don't tell me there are no opportunities open. Education is open for everyone. Granted, you might not get into an Ivy League if you're from the inner city, but even if you drop out of high school, there are hundreds of community colleges and city business and technology schools that will be glad to educate you for a few years for FREE....at the very least, if you go to this school and you want to turn your life around, you will end up with a job that pays 30 or 40 grand. THATS IT...YOU'RE NOT POOR. YOU'RE NOT HOMELESS. And many of those people can even go on to better schools and really lucrative careers. There are plenty of opportunities open for people in America. It is not our responsibility to help everyone if they don't want to help themselves.</p>

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<p>Jaug1, what is the problem with those innocent people who did die being listed as collateral damage? While it is not one of the more talked about parts of war the truth is people, sometimes completely innocent people, do die in war. When those people die (or for that case if their property is destroyed) they are considered collateral damage, so I'm not sure why they should be listed differently in the records.</p>

<p>Also it is nice to see that there are some other republicans here, at times I feel very alone in my political views.</p>

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<p>That's the curse of the republicans. When we argue, we get outnumbered 5:1. For liberals, its all safety in numbers.</p>

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<p>Hahah...yeah jaug just needs to feel better by seeing "THIS IS HOW MANY TOTALLY, COMPLETELY INNOCENT PEOPLE GOT KILLED TODAY:...WE THE PENTAGON ARE IDIOTS. WE APOLOGIZE" on official reports.</p>

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<p>"Those veterans are showered with benefits. The government provides shelters for them. They provide them with perfect insurance."
Hardly, The principal cause of homelessness among veterans is the failure of VA disability benefits and other public benefits to provide adequate and appropriate housing assistance. According to the National Coalition for Homeless Veterans, the VA’s homeless programs assist only 40,000 veterans each year, less than 10 percent of the number of veterans who experience homelessness annually. I don't consider 10% to be a "showering" of benefits.</p>

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<p>A) The entire reason for the 2nd part to my previous post was to show that even large liberals like myself sometimes go against the common platform.
B) I would like to see the Democratic party get some back bone because, for as much as I dislike Republican viewpoints, the Republican party understands that people like to be pandered to and they are able to state their positions openly and succinctly.
C) Bigjake587, you demonstrate all that I hate about conservatives. The only thing they are concerned about is money. You believe that money, somehow, solves all of the world's problems. The crux of your argument is such that a poor person can get a job by going to community college and get paid roughly 30-40,000 dollars a year and that in return, they will lead happy lives. WRONG!! It is the goal and necesity of every society to help other members of the same society. That cannot be argued. By saying that the government shouldn't be allowed to help others is ignorant beyond belief.
D) Allena, you ask why we should be disturbed by the figures that come out from war. Yes, innocents die in war. However, this specific war has some special problems. The UN (although, I know Republicans don't want to believe that it actually exists or has some power in the world), has stated that no less than 50,000 innocents and up to 150,000 innocents have died in this war. With all of the United States' advanced technology, this number should be far lower. That means out intelligence is bad and as a result, innocents are dying. If you were to read the Geneva Convention, that many innocent deaths per enemy death can be considered a war crime. And you wonder why Bush and this administration don't want to join the world court?
E) If the Republicans on this thread would actually post facts instead of making sarcastic responses to posts and using them as points, it might help your argument somewhat.</p>

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<p>fascinating suggestion: WHy don't the liberals create their own thread in the Cafe? Hmm? really, it isn't that hard.</p>

<p>Edit: <<sigh>> I wish...</sigh></p>

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<p>I'm only talking about money?? A person is poor because a person does not have MONEY. I was talking about a solution to poverty. I was not talking about being happy, but at least not living on the streets and living off of public welfare. I wonder what you're talking about....If the government should help people, it is only in a financial sense aka MONEY....are you talking about emotional help??? Or that the government should guarantee that everyone is rich?? You're argument makes no sense. </p>

<p>As far as the United Nations goes, the UN could go to hell for all i care. They're nothing without the United States. When it comes to helping Europe with its problems, we're always ready to send troops and join UN operations. But when it comes time to help us, they'd rather sit in their country, criticize us, and build up their economy through the EU. Honestly, i bet even most Republicans won't agree with me on this, but i really don't care about what Europe has to say. Their golden age has been over for at least 50 years. To have a voice, you have to have some input, and they with the exception of England haven't put in anything. I'm not going to have a few weak countries who care about oil over principles dictating US foreign policy. That's why its funny when you liberals post things like "8 out of 9 people in the world would vote for Kerry." Well, this is America. The world does not have a say in our country. Just my take on things.</p>

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<p>Yay!!! Republicans woo hoo</p>

<p>The Election completely made my year....I'm so happy that a person I actually LIKE was in office in my high school years, and also will be in office during my college years. </p>

<p>:-)!</p>

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<p>bigjake i totally agree with you...and also, sometimes I feel that...</p>

<p>actually I ALWAYS feel that many liberals use their emotions instead of their heads when they argue things. They just say whatever seems to sound "good" and compassionate, and often don't cite facts or acknowledge the reality of the situation. </p>

<p>Yes, 8/9 people in the world also wanted to allow Hitler to stay in power in the years leading up to WWII...did that make it right? </p>

<p>Who says America has to fall into the trap of peer pressure?</p>

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<p>Ok bigjake. Let me explain the idiocy in your argument about the UN first, then I'll get back to your first point.</p>

<p>The UN is not just Europe. The UN does not have an economy. The UN is solely a collection of nations which attempts to extinguish human right's violations around the globe. The UN is nothing without the US? Ok. Let's tell China, England, France, Germany, Japan and Russia (primarily, although I could list other strong nations) that they are all inferior to the US and that they have no global say. Yeah...that's smart. Also, Europe has added nothing the past 50 years? Jake, how about you get rid of all those fancy german cars, or maybe some flu vaccine, and maybe most of US food supply. They haven't added anything of value to the world in the past 50 years...how ignorant are you? </p>

<p>Also, Europe is the place for oil crusades over principles? HAHAHAHA. LOOK AT THE US!!!! The only, and I mean ONLY, reason we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan was for oil. They happen to be positioned nicely near Israel, on both sides of Iran and control a very large supply of oil and opium. The US dependence on oil is so severe that since we cannot provide enough for our own people, that we instead must invade other nations to take their natural resources. We also didn't sponsor that coup against Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, that luckily failed, in hopes that a more pro-US oil leader might take power. I mean, the United States couldn't be lacking some moral conscience could we? Oh wait...we do...</p>

<p>Now, to your point about my argument not making any sense. You made the statement that if all poor people went to school they could get a job that would help pay 30-40,000 a year. Think about how many people in this country are poor. A) There are not enough schools to supply for your solution and B) There are many poor people in this country who already have extensive educational backgrounds. Think about a 56 year old woman in Iowa who recently lost a job at a manufacturing plant a few weeks ago, as an example. You would recommend to her to go back to school at 56 for two years, with no supporting income, so that she can hope to get the same job, or one slightly better two years later? You need another solution.</p>

<p>The government should only care about the people of its country financially? I live in the upper tax bracket and am very fortunate. So, by your reasoning, the government shouldn't care about me. That doesn't make sense anymore does it? I mean, I am an American right? I deserve all the rights and help from the government that anybody else gets. It is not so much that the government needs to monitor every person's emotional state, but they need to help them in some other way besides finances. Just because a person has money, that doesn't make them a happy person.</p>

<p>Hopefully that clarifies things a little further.</p>