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Oh, you're that annoying atheist that is out on a CRUSADE against us believers
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Yet another ad hominem attack. You certainly do not represent all the "believers" as you imply. A christian attacking an atheist of crusading...that is an interesting affliction. Unlike christians throughout history, I am not imposing my beliefs on anyone...in fact, I respect your right to believe what you want. I cannot say the same for what christians have done throughout histor.y</p>
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May I remind you, trancestorm, that this is a discussion thread about the Danish charicatures and the Islamic protests. Catholicism is not one of the topics. I only made reference to the Catholic Church following guguru's outlandish comments about me being a pedophile.
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I realize this fully, but I am also seeing categorical attacks on muslim doctrines. It is then necessary to put it all into historical perspective.</p>
<p>Oh please tancestorm, keep your ranting and ridiculous rhetoric at a minimum. No one cares for your illogical statements. Remember that the Crusades were fought by two forces and not just one. Just keep that in mind before you go flailing wild discriminatory attacks.</p>
<p>Do not get me wrong, I am not in any way a spokesperson or representative for islam in this debate. In fact, I thought that the cartoons were hilarious...representative of all muslims? No...but it must be taken in its own perspective. What inclines me to attack christianity (perhaps one of the least tolerant religions of all time), is a categorical attack on Islam. Tolerance is the key.</p>
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Oh please tancestorm, keep your ranting and ridiculous rhetoric at a minimum. No one cares for your illogical statements. Remember that the Crusades were fought by two forces and not just one. Just keep that in mind before you go flailing wild discriminatory attacks.
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It is nice to see that you have evolved from attacking me to attacking my rhetoric. Perhaps the next step is to attack my arguments. Illogical?? Before you flaunt that word out there, why not justify it. Yes, the crusades were fought by two people, but who was the agressor. What about the Spanish and Papal inquisitions, the numerous RC/protestant wars, the invasion of the aztecs/mayans. Can you honestly say that these were not impositions of chrisian ideals?</p>
<p>Trancestorm: Absolutely, tolerance is the key and we have expressed these sentiments on this discussion board already. So, I guess we don't need your replies. Sorry, maybe some other time.</p>
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Trancestorm: Absolutely, tolerance is the key and we have expressed these sentiments on this discussion board already. So, I guess we don't need your replies. Sorry, maybe some other time
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That is not what I am seeing. You surely cannot be categorically intolerant to Islam (calling it a skin disease) and then expect all others to be tolerant to you. You use the word "we" as if you represent everyone on this board. Is is a type of logical fallacy.</p>
<p>Considering that I myself am a descendant of Aztec and Spanish lineages, I think I would be a perfect person to debate the Spanish expansion into the Americas.</p>
<p>You are absolutely right. Christians have tried to forcibly convert entire peoples. But we need to remember that the Mayans and Aztec were blood-thirsty savages who sacrificed millions of individuals. Would you want such a religion to survive. Let's face it, the Spanish enlightened the Aztec and Mayan savages. Yes, it is true that they had achieved mathematical and scientific achievements but these innovations paled in comparison with those of the Spanish.</p>
<p>The Christian delusion of persecution is hilarious.</p>
<p>Trancestorm: I will not engage in a debate over the violent history of Christianity. This discussion board is not meant to cover such a topic. I will gladly discuss it on a discussion thread that pertains to that issue. Until then, I suggest you leave this discussion board unless you are willing to comment on the actual topic of this thread. Thank-you.</p>
<p>Neverborn: Just don't talk. You hate religions. We get it. You have said your peace and I think we have frankly gotten tired of your posts.</p>
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But we need to remember that the Mayans and Aztec were blood-thirsty savages who sacrificed millions of individuals. Would you want such a religion to survive. Let's face it, the Spanish enlightened the Aztec and Mayan savages. Yes, it is true that they had achieved mathematical and scientific achievements but these innovations paled in comparison with those of the Spanish.
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THis is the perfect example of the christian imposition of ideals. As a christian, you have no right to impose your set of standards on a totally different culture. THis is a violation and an imposition on their fundamental categorical imperatives. What gives you the right to call their culture savage? What makes your culture superior? The problems of christian expansion stem from this idea, that certain ideals and practices make religions unfit for existence. No christian has this right. And perhaps you have forgotten the consequences...the aztecs and mayans were subjected to slave labor in order to excavate the land for resources...perhaps the encomienda rings a bell. Have you forgotten the meztitos and the mullatoes? THe indians were worked till near extinction at which point african slaves were brought in. You conveniently forget this. THen, can you really say that the Aztecs and Mayans were better off with the "enlightened" christianity than with the "savage" tribal religions?</p>
<p>Perhaps you need a bit of touching up on european history?</p>
<p>I am a mestizo (please correct your spelling). It's fine to spell things incorrectly except when you're trying desparately to sound intelligent.</p>
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will not engage in a debate over the violent history of Christianity. This discussion board is not meant to cover such a topic. I will gladly discuss it on a discussion thread that pertains to that issue. Until then, I suggest you leave this discussion board unless you are willing to comment on the actual topic of this thread. Thank-you.
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Haha. I was going to tell you to cover all my points, but i will accept your resignation.</p>
<p>I know way more about the histories of my people then you do so don't try to come here and give me a lecture on the history of the Aztec and Mayan empires.</p>
<p>Resignation, hardly! I will debate you on any discussion thread that pertains to the issue of Christian history.</p>
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I am a mestizo (please correct your spelling). It's fine to spell things incorrectly except when you're trying desparately to sound intelligent.
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Sorry about that, but again, you are evading discussion on a technicality. From attacking rhetoric to attacking grammar...
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It's fine to spell things incorrectly except when you're trying desparately to sound intelligent.
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Yes, It would be pitiable except for the fact that I am doing this all by memory (I have not done this stuff for quite a while now). Besides, I certainly would not hold it against you for failing to remember some obscure detail about a culture that is not your own.</p>
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I know way more about the histories of my people then you do so don't try to come here and give me a lecture on the history of the Aztec and Mayan empires.
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It is funny that you should say that because in your initial discourse of christian effects on the region, you conveniently sidestep the consequences for the Aztecs/Mayans in the end. Additionally, you are only selectively attacking my points...THis behavior is not good debating practice.</p>
<p>I know merely 3 weeks worth of material from IB European History about "your people", yet I am willing to contend your superiority in that aspect of knowledge.</p>
<p>"I have not done this stuff for quite a while now"</p>
<p>Why don't you go brush up on your Latin American history and then return and start a discussion thread that pertains to the expansion of Christianity. For the moment, stop wasting my time.</p>
<p>I love how everkingly points to others spellings. When he accused me of misspelling s/he actually spelt wrong in the post him/herself!</p>
<p>Do everyone a favor and stop wasting EVERYONE's time.</p>