<p>On edit: My sura chapter/verse was wrong. I'll try again when I'm back at home.</p>
<p>There's one, there are MANY verses in the Koran that seem to advocate violence against infidels, women, etc.</p>
<p>Me_: Relgious texts don't make up a faith. It is the followers of a faith and their actions that make a religion what it is. As I have said earlier, interpretation is the key and unfortunately extremists now control the interpretation of Islamic holy scripture. For all we care, the Quran could say that there shuld never be any act of violence. However, if a substantial portion of a faith's believers actually commit violent attrocities and there is an even larger portion that won't do anything to stop them then it is quite reasopnable to infer that the faith propagates violence.</p>
<p>sorry neverborn, that verse doesnt exist, im studying that sura this year, it doeesnt exist, pic up a real koran (or translation) and give me a verse..</p>
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Where does this 99% of all Muslims are peace-loving come from? Is it a true statistic or simply an estimate?
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<p>Okay, 99% is not an official figure. But think of it this way: make a list of all the people who have committed acts of terror, claiming to be doing things in the name of Islam (their actions are not in accordance with Islam, but that's a seperate issue). Now, divide the number of people on that list by 1.1 billion. Small number? Yeah. Think of all the Muslims on this board, and the Muslims that you know. While our patience, at times, has grown thin, has any one of us ever said that an act of violence (aside from self defence) was something we supported?</p>
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I still don't understand how I can be considered a white supremacist. Can you elaborate?
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<p>I still don't understand how I can be considered a terrorist. Can you elaborate? </p>
<p>I'm just trying to say that you can't make generalizations about an entire population based on the acts of a few. It's not right if I assume all Christians hate anyone who's not white because I've seen the KKK and know that they have some kind of weird, extreme view and claim to be Christian. It's not right if someone sees me wearing a scarf and assumes I hate them since they're not Muslim, just because they know who Osama bin Laden is and that he says he does things in the name of Islam.</p>
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Relgious texts don't make up a faith. It is the followers of a faith and their actions that make a religion what it is. As I have said earlier, interpretation is the key and unfortunately extremists now control the interpretation of Islamic holy scripture. For all we care, the Quran could say that there shuld never be any act of violence. However, if a substantial portion of a faith's believers actually commit violent attrocities and there is an even larger portion that won't do anything to stop them then it is quite reasopnable to infer that the faith propagates violence.
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<p>Majority of Muslims, as we have covered, do not share the same veiws as terrorists. The terrorists do not make up a substantial proportion of Muslims. They make up a very SMALL proportion of muslims. Also, extremists and their interperetations are not who and what Muslims follow. There are scholars who have interpereted the Quran, who have teachers that can be traced back to the prophet (example: Scholar X studied with Scholar A who learned from the prophet) and their interperetation is what we are supposed to follow. In fact, Muslims shouldn't go off and just interperet things by themselves - they need to study with someone who knows what they are doing. Sadly, people who have actual knowledge of the Quran and hadith don't make the news. The terrorists do. I won't blame it all on the media, perhaps you're right, perhaps we SHOULD be more vocal. But wouldn't you say I'm being vocal? I can't exactly go fly to Osama's cave or whatever and tell him that he's wrong. As someone said before, it doesn't make the news when Muslims say they don't support acts of terror.</p>
<p>sydney_bristow87: I have never called you a terrorist so don't call me a white supremacist. I have never made such an erroneus generalization.</p>
<p>The Muslims went out of line, and i wholeheartedly think they took it way too far.</p>
<p>Everkingly,</p>
<p>"Kind of sounds like the evil, despicable terrorist attacks in Israel perpetrated by Muslims, the followers of a false prophet"</p>
<p>Saying something like that is just as insulting. I have never called Jesus a fraud. </p>
<p>"Let's face it, Muslims secretly do desire the destruction and murder of non-Muslims and seek to overrun the world with Islamic regimes!"</p>
<p>This is something else you have posted. You may be book smart, but is seems that common sense is not so common.</p>
<p>"you degrade all those poor innocent victims of evil pedophile priests"</p>
<p>how? I'm not degrading them, I just find it ridiculous that the people who are supposed to be thier guiders and mentors can do something like that.</p>
<p>i said:</p>
<p>"And molesting little children is nasty, but hey if your for it, by all means go ahead."</p>
<p>And if you aren't then don't, and please, ur outrageous comments against me are far more insulting, but I'm not all offended and such.</p>
<p>Here - Muslims speaking out against acts of terror:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cair-net.org/%5B/url%5D">http://www.cair-net.org/</a></p>
<p>There are more, but I've got to go soon. If you want more links, ask.</p>
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I have never called you a terrorist so don't call me a white supremacist. I have never made such an erroneus generalization.
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<p>I offer my sincere apology if you took any offense in what I said. I was trying to make a statement, I did not have the intention of calling you a white supremacist. I was trying to illustrate how people make blatant generalizations and refuse to open their minds to the possibility that not everyone holds the same views as a few extremists. Perhaps you now understand how I feel, and perhaps I should have come up with a better example.</p>
<p>sydney_bristow87: I greatly appreciate your vocal condemnation of violence. But just hear me out on this, okay. We can estimate Muslim terrorists (including al-queda, hamas, countless terrorist organizations in nearly every country) at about one-million. I know it sounds kind of high but remember that there are currently thousands of terrorist attacks happening yearly and that Hamas and other terrorist organizations have hundreds of thousands of members. Now that would mean that terrorists make up about .1 % of the total Muslim population which is extremely small. Now let's add in the number of Muslims that condone terrorism. An al-jazeera poll put Muslim support of terrorism at about fourty percent. So let's say that instead of 40 percent only 20 percent support or condone the use of terrorism to fight back at the West. Now, 20 percent plus the .1 percent of active terrorists equals 20.1 percent of the total Muslim population supports violent actions against the West. 20.1 percent of a population that supports violence is massive when you consider that the violent ones tend to be the loudest.</p>
<p>If most of the muslims in the world really are against terrorism, then why aren't any of them protesting about it? If 12 cartoons are worth the gathering of huge crowds in so many countries, then the killing of 100's of innocent people by terrorists should be worth a few protests. It really makes one wonder.</p>
<p>Guguru: The comments that I posted were completely out of line and I apologize for them (something you have not done over your pedophile comments). I am sorry if I have offended you or other Muslims over those erroneus generalizations.</p>
<p>It amazes me how you still don't back down from your clearly out of line comments about pedophilia. You always talk about how evil Catholic priests are for molesting children because they are supposed to have been good moral teachers and their religious guides. Let us not forget that most terrorists were also taught by evil Muslim clerics to kill innocents. Which is the worse crime? I view murder and terrorism as being greater offenses than pedophilia anyday and I think most people would agree. </p>
<p>By the way, less than one-hundred Catholic priests have ever been accused of pedophilia. There are literally millions of Catholic priests in the world. All the priests that have committed pedophilia have been defrocked or are about to be defrocked. In addition, I am very proud to say that the Catholic hierarch is making gigantic strides in correcting these disgusting blemishes on the Catholic Church. I think the Muslim community should take a look at some of the institutional initiatives that the Catholic Church is implementing. You could take some pointers at how to solve serious problems.</p>
<p>wesam88: I could not agree more. Excellent point. I think that Muslims generally do condemn terrorism but I am really confused at to why barely any ever protest in large numbers against terrorism.</p>
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the catholic church has been blemished since the crusades.</p>
<p>Trancestorm: How has the Catholic Church been blemished since the Crusades? Please specify! If the Catholic Chruch has blemishes then Islam must have skin cancer.</p>
<p>I mean no disrespect to anyone except Trancestorm.</p>
<p>oh please do come to the "is there a god " thread. I will be happy to discuss it with you there. I can explain why christianity is blemished in nature. </p>
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If the Catholic Chruch has blemishes then Islam must have skin cancer.
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Typical sanctimonious attitude of christian philosophy: the imposition of moral standards. When Christians understand why they reject all other philosophies, they will then understand why I reject theirs.</p>
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<p>After that nice discourse on ad-hominem attacks...Well I accept your disrespect with gratitude. I do not think that disrespect to opposition is a christian moral, but then again, who in the history of christianity has ever followed christian morals?</p>
<p>By the way, I am not muslim</p>
<p>Oh, you're that annoying atheist that is out on a CRUSADE against us believers.</p>
<p>May I remind you, trancestorm, that this is a discussion thread about the Danish charicatures and the Islamic protests. Catholicism is not one of the topics. I only made reference to the Catholic Church following guguru's outlandish comments about me being a pedophile.</p>