The Fury of the Muslim World-Mohammed Cariacatures

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Your statement is absolutely false. The European media is free to criticize the Jewish faith.

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There are certain European countries, like Germany, that forbid the media or anyone from making insulting comments about the Holocaust.

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these statements do not seem to make sense next to each other. How can the european media (i am not aware of any established media for the continent of europe) be free to critisize religion when countries within europe are not free to critisize the holocaust?</p>

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Germany, that forbid the media or anyone from making insulting comments about the Holocaust.

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And have punishments for people who do.</p>

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<p>Trancestorm: It is vitally important to realize that the Holocaust and the Jewish faith are not intertwined. The Holocaust involved the mass genocide of six million Jews in addition to the brutal slayings of an even larger number of non-Jews. Thus, you can not say that the Holocaust and the Jewish faith are one in the same. The European media is free to criticize any religion. However, a few nations bar the media from insulting the Holocaust.</p>

<p>I am in no way saying that I agree that certain nations should prevent their citizens from insulting the Holocaust. I, in fact, fully support freedom of speech without any restrictions (except when the information is important to national security). I was just trying to point out that the European media is free to critique and religion.</p>

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It is vitally important to realize that the Holocaust and the Jewish faith are not intertwined. The Holocaust involved the mass genocide of six million Jews in addition to the brutal slayings of an even larger number of non-Jews. Thus, you can not say that the Holocaust and the Jewish faith are one in the same. The European media is free to criticize any religion. However, a few nations bar the media from insulting the Holocaust.

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You cannot deny that the holocaust is inextricably linked to jewish culture. The holocaust is bound to the religion in that sense, through culture.</p>

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<p>Trancestorm: Yes, the Jewish faith plays an important part in the Holocaust. Keep in mind that there were even more non-Jews slaughtered by the Nazis. As a result, no one can say that the Holocaust is purely about the injustices of the Nazis against the Jewish faith. The Nazis systematically slaughtered Christians, Muslims, Slavs, Homosexuals, Arabs and political dissidents. If we applied your logic then we must also say that the Christian and Muslim faiths, the Arab and Slavic peoples, Homosexuals and Gypsies are also "inextricably linked to the Holocaust and the European media is forbidden from criticizing these cultures. Do you actually believe that? Thus, Me_ was incorrect in saying that the European media is barred from criticizing the Jewish faith in certain European nations.</p>

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<p>Did you guys know that there are more Jews living in New York alone than the entire of Israel?</p>

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<p>JamesN: What does that have anything to do with this thread?</p>

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<p>Nothing....nothing at all.
Wow, this threads gotten large. I'm not a Muslim but they have every right to be angry, but resorting to violence, killing and embassy burning is far too harsh over twelve stupid pictures.</p>

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<p>Two points, then feel free to either call me whatever names you wish:</p>

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<li><p>The Muslim world is entirely free to PEACEABLY ask that the cartoons be censured, removed, peed on, whatever. However, the fact is that Sharia Law does NOT extend to non-Muslims. </p></li>
<li><p>The Religious Policeman. Read</a> it. Now.</p></li>
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<p>To understand this issue, you have to realize the extreme tension between some Europeans and Muslims. There are some extreme right wing parties, particularly in France and in the Netherlands, that openly denigrate the Muslim immigrants. Say what you will about the evil Republicans in America, at least they have to pretend to be moderate. There are active forces in some of these countries that would like nothing more than to expel all the Muslims no matter how naturalized they are because they're still "foreign".</p>

<p>There are many unresolved issues here, such as the religious conflicts, the bitter colonial pasts, the Israel issue... It's not just a cartoon.</p>

<p>I'm not anti-Israel, but how would Americans like it if the Saudis decided to take a small strip of land in Massachussetts without consent, fill it up with pious, even overzealous, Muslims, and arm it to the teeth with billions in military aid every year? The British just took what they felt like in the Middle East, and essentially created Israel, at the expense of Arab Muslims of course, whom they had already double-crossed with the Sykes-Picot Agreement following WW I and the desintegration of the Ottoman Empire, to alleviate their own guilty conscience over their cowardice and stupidity in the faceoff with Hitler (with the whole appeasement issue).</p>

<p>These colonialists toy with people's lands and ambitions, and treat the few they take in as second-class citizens, and are suddenly confused as to why there is so much bitterness and anger? **** me. It's easy to condemn acts of violence when you're at the top with all the wealth and influence.</p>

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<p>Forget cartoons, you have to see this: <a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/people/pandora/article344202.ece%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://news.independent.co.uk/people/pandora/article344202.ece&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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The latest public figure to stand accused of defiling the Prophet Mohamed is not some Danish cartoonist, or French newspaper editor, but a hapless British Page 3 girl called Emma B.</p>

<p>Yesterday, the erotic retailer Ann Summers unveiled Miss B as the "face" of its new range of products.</p>

<p>Not 24 hours later, she finds herself on the front line of Islamic protest after Muslim leaders discovered that the range includes a new blow-up doll, called "Mustafa Shag".</p>

<p>Unfortunately, Mustafa was one of the names given to the Prophet Mohamed. Bestowing it upon, in the words of its catalogue, "an inflatable escort for your hen-night adventures" is considered highly offensive.</p>

<p>The Manchester Central Mosque has already written to the firm, calling on it to withdraw the product, right.</p>

<p>"You have no idea how much hurt, anguish, and disgust this obnoxious phrase ["Mustafa Shag"] has caused to Muslim men, women and children," reads their letter.</p>

<p>"We are asking you to please relent on compassionate grounds, and have our Most Reverend Prophet's Name "Mustafa" (Peace Be Upon Him) and the afflicted word 'shag' removed as soon as possible."</p>

<p>Ann Summers was last night examining options, though its chief executive Jacqueline Gold was reluctant to withdraw the item from sale.</p>

<p>"We don't want to offend, but this feels like political correctness gone mad," she said. "If anyone has a better name for a blow-up doll, please let us know."

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<p>Mustafa Shag! That's hilarious.</p>

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<p>wesam88, i think you're having bad experiences with Muslims in UAE.</p>

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<p>UCLAri: I quite agree with your post and the link that you noted is amazing.</p>

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Trancestorm: Yes, the Jewish faith plays an important part in the Holocaust. Keep in mind that there were even more non-Jews slaughtered by the Nazis. As a result, no one can say that the Holocaust is purely about the injustices of the Nazis against the Jewish faith. The Nazis systematically slaughtered Christians, Muslims, Slavs, Homosexuals, Arabs and political dissidents. If we applied your logic then we must also say that the Christian and Muslim faiths, the Arab and Slavic peoples, Homosexuals and Gypsies are also "inextricably linked to the Holocaust and the European media is forbidden from criticizing these cultures. Do you actually believe that? Thus, Me_ was incorrect in saying that the European media is barred from criticizing the Jewish faith in certain European nations.

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<p>How do you say? The popular death toll of the Holocaust is I believe around 11 million. 6 million of those were Jewish. That is, the majority of the victims were Jewish.</p>

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<p>Amievil: The thing is that no one really knows how many died in the Holocaust. Everyone gives estimates. Most historians have concrete evidence that proves that ABOUT 6 millions Jews were slaughtered in he Holocaust. On the other hand, estimates of the number of non-Jews (Muslims, Christians, Atheists, Slavs, Gypsies, Homosexuals, political dissidents, communists, etc.) range anywhere from 5 million to nearly 20 million. Most historians have narrowed that range to between 5 and 10 million. However, there is still massive speculation. We may never know the exact numbers.</p>

<p>Anyways, the exact number of those slaughtered in the Holocaust is irrelevant. It is only important to note that the Holocaust slaughterings were not exclusive to the Jewish faith. As a result, no one can say that the Holocaust is an event that is only important in the Jewish faith.</p>

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<p>And I thought this debate was over. It just goes on and on and on.</p>

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<p>No, I do believe a consensus was reached that freedom of speech (expression) must be protected, and while it was insensitive of the artists, the Muslims have overreacted.</p>

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No, I do believe a consensus was reached that freedom of speech (expression) must be protected, and while it was insensitive of the artists, the Muslims have overreacted.

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Very true! :)</p>

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Anyways, the exact number of those slaughtered in the Holocaust is irrelevant. It is only important to note that the Holocaust slaughterings were not exclusive to the Jewish faith. As a result, no one can say that the Holocaust is an event that is only important in the Jewish faith.

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No, it does not matter if it was "only" important to the jewish faith. It matters that it was important event that affected many jews. If you deny that it was aimed primarily at jews, then you know about as much about world war 2 as you do about the Aztecs/Mayans. Remember you declared victory after half a day of nonresponse on my part? I think it is now sufficient to say that you have avoided the empirical proof that I have presented TWO days ago. Furthermore, you have gone on posting, showing that you are merely avoiding the information that I have presented. What happened?? I thought you were the champion of Aztec/Mayan history, your culture? </p>

<p>This is how most theists go down...eventually, after a long debate, irrefutable proof is presented and never answered.</p>

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<p>./high five trancestorm</p>