<p>The way the world is caving into these people really scares me and makes me wonder if the free press will be "moderated" ... :-/</p>
<p>Trancestorm: Here, you again with not reading my posts correctly. I NEVER said that the Holocaust was not aimed rimarily at the Jews. I ONLY ever said that the Holocaust is not only important to the Jewish faith. That is why everyone studies about the Holocaust. The Holocaust matters to EVERYONE and not just the Jews.</p>
<p>As you may have noticed, all of my recent posts have been rather short because (like you) I have homework that is more important than this thread. I frankly have very little time to work on all of my projects, papers, homework, work, community service, etc. and still be able to disprove your "empirical proof". I still have yet to see any of the your so-called proof. Posting links is nothing. Why should I look at those links if your too lazy to do your own research. Secondly, don't clump me together with the other theists. I am my own man who thinks and speaks on his own. I have never included you with the atheists because I know you might have a difference in opinion with them. Please respect me as an individual. I am not here to convert anyone. I am only here to express my opinion just like everyone else. By the way, you still have yet to show me that you know anything about the Aztec/Maya cultures. Posting links does not show any historical competence about these cultures.</p>
<p>Neverborn: At least we agree that the media should not be maderated in its criticism of everything.</p>
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Posting links is nothing. Why should I look at those links if your too lazy to do your own research.
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If you notice, I was synthesizing the information presented on those links for you right under each link...information taken directly from the paper the link was to. This is a courtesy to you and this is certainly doing "research". I am presenting viewpoint of historians from credible sources. I have indeed done the research, you seem to lazy to look it over.</p>
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I ONLY ever said that the Holocaust is not only important to the Jewish faith.
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I never said it was ONLY important to the jewish faith. I said it was important to the jewish faith which does not exclude it from being important to any othe rfaith.</p>
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Secondly, don't clump me together with the other theists. I am my own man who thinks and speaks on his own.
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I am not telling you how or how not to behave. I am merely observing trends that exist between all theists alike.</p>
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By the way, you still have yet to show me that you know anything about the Aztec/Maya cultures. Posting links does not show any historical competence about these cultures.
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<p>Of course I did. I presented my viewpoint that christianity exterminated the Aztecs/ Mayans then presented links to other historians who agree with me. Looky here.
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=66779&page=62&pp=20%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=66779&page=62&pp=20</a></p>
<p>You have yet to address a single point I presented on that page Mr. Expert. </p>
<p>As you yourself said :
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Trancestorm, I strongly disagree with your accusation of Christianity as the extingusihing factor for the destruction the Mayas and Aztecs.
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<p>I proceeded to list credible sources that disagree with you. You conveniently avoided EVERYTHING I posted. EVERYTHING. What does this tell everybody about your willingness to debate as well as your ability to defend your own statementS? This is in fact a problem of your credibility.</p>
<p>IF you would like the information watered down even more, I would be glad to present it. You dont even have to ckick on them. To save YOU some time, I will present only the important information for your viewing.</p>
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The encomienda system, no matter how it originated, became a monster with a voracious appetite for Indian lives. The system set a precedent for the treatment and esteem for the Indian population in the Americans, and the fight against it was an uphill battle that was never quite won. In fact, one could even argue that the encomienda system never died off, that it merely evolved and took on new forms, like that of American slavery.
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During the late 16th century, 200,000 Spaniards immigrated into South America. Quickly the landscape of South America began to change, with imported plants, large sugar plantations, vast estates, and imported animals over-taking the native landscape. Bureaucracy and government also took hold quickly in South America. The Spanish established the encomiendas, where the government granted conquerors the right to employ groups of Indians. The encomiendas, in truth were a form of legalized slavery. Relegated to practical slave labor within sugar cane plantations and mining caves, the native population of Peru declined from 1.3 million in 1570, to 600,000 in 1620. In Meso-America the circumstances were no different. The population of Indians went from 25.3 million in 1519, to a scant 1 million in 1605. Though forced labor played the largest part in the decimation of the Incan and Aztec, disease is by no means minor within this time frame. Widespread epidemics of small pox and other diseases were not uncommon, and claimed the lives of millions. On the psychological front, historians and psychologists have offered another reason for the decimation of the Incan and Aztec populations, namely the Indians had lost the will to survive. With the extreme and quick loss of culture, accompanied by the pressure of Christian missionaries and laws preventing the practice of any form of native religion (if they did there were strong repercussions even death), the Indians were, by all means, slaves to the Spaniard immigrants.
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<p>This is certainly doing my own research...I found credible historical sources that support my viewpoint that Christianity was a plague to Aztecs/Mayans. </p>
<p>You have yet to prove one of my arguments to be illogical. IT is funny that you declared victory after a day of nonresponse from me, but you continuously refuse to address any of my points while calling yourself knowledgable on South american culture. Your practical philosophy is certainly an inconsistent one.</p>
<p>You tell me t hat you "shread my arguments to pieces" when you adamantly refuse to address my poiints.</p>
<p>The Holocaust is overrated.</p>
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[On the matter of the caricatures, I think they were wrong but not intended for offense, i think it was more a social experiment, and I think Muslims in the east have taken it wayyyyyy to far and are harming themselves.]
i agree, I don't think they meant the jokes offensively, but personally after seeing the comics, i see how they took it offensively, but they waay overreacted...</p>
<p>[The Holocaust is overrated]
THANK YOU!!!</p>
<p>Is that sarcasm I'm feelin?</p>
<p>I don't understand why so many people link Islam to Terrrorism. The people who are doing these horrific crimes make up less than 1% of the muslim mass, and it's so sad to see all the attention they're getting. They're wackos, what they preach is not Islam. </p>
<p>If a bunch of crazy christian radicals were blowing up places/people all in the of christianity then they would be labled for it.</p>
<p>Christians are evil..... they killed 20 million people in WW2 alone. Now does that make sense?</p>
<p>That's not my point, I'm saying that if a bunch of christians were blowing up people in the name of christianity then they wouldn't be labled as "christian radicals" so why is the media doing this with arab muslims?????? Neither Islam nor Christianty preach violence</p>
<p>Its because Jews own the media.</p>
<p>[Its because Jews own the media.]
thats cuz jews are smart, and actually strategic, they know how to get to the top.
edit: and no, i wasnt being sarcastic when i said thank you</p>
<p>Why the hate</p>
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thats cuz jews are smart, and actually strategic, they know how to get to the top.
edit: and no, i wasnt being sarcastic when i said thank you
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<p>The Jews could better serve themselves doing good rather than spewing bad media upon a rival religion.</p>
<p>what hate?</p>
<p>Between you and James, seems like you guys are like "Jews vs. Muslims" and all.</p>
<p>I've been mulling this whole situation over.</p>
<p>I read Salman Rushdie's infamous The Satanic Verses last year. Now, it was offensive to Muslims (because of its portrayal of the Prophet and its use of an old story which contradicts the Koran) and earned him a death sentence for its blasphemy. It's a beautifully literate book (difficult to understand, though) and wonderfully written. Would this be parallel to The Da Vinci Code for Christians? Does his book fall within the realm of freedom of speech (and if it does, do the cartoons? if the cartoons do not while TSV does, why?)? What is the difference between Rushdie's work--theocratic Iran's reaction which is similiar to their reaction in this situation--and the cartoons? What are the similiarties? </p>
<p>I'm having difficulty phrasing this question appropriately, but I feel that those of you who have read/are familiar with TSV will understand what I'm talking about. If I say, "The cartoons should not have been drawn/printed because it is offensive to Muslims who revere Mohammed," am I being a hypocrite when I say, "The Satanic Verses may be offensive, but in a literary, poignant way, eloquently expressed"? How are the situations comparable?</p>
<p>Both Jews and Muslims are equally confused.</p>
<p>For those of you who have studied ww2 you know how the jews ended up in palestine.. The muslims let them in palestine, but then after a while the Jews decided they need a 'jewish state', so they wanted the holy land to themselves, and wanted to start Isreal... so this was at the time when America was having the cold war with the Soviet Union, so the soviet union started backing up the palestinians in their war against the Isrealis... so America comes and decides to back up the Isrealis, because acoording the to the idea of 'containment,' the soviet union might gain power in palestine and make it communist... So the isrealis eventually take over most of palestine, and America continues supporting it to this day, giving at least 2 billion dollars a year, from AMERICAN TAXPAYERS money.. (and this is true)... so of course Muslims (especcially in the middle east) are against jews, because of what's happened to them.. and of course, israel did this to them and America is funding them, so then they hate America too. Of course, there are jews that are against Isreal too, so you can't hate all jews... So thats the situation between Jews and Muslims, and a dumb treaty in Isreal is not gonna stop them from hating eachother...</p>