<p>so r u ^^^</p>
<p>James: Ever going to answer me on that thread where I proved you're a liar and make **** up? Didn't think so. Shut your mouth, troll.</p>
<p>sydney_bristow87: Thank you for posting the message you were referring to.</p>
<p>I would generally advise not to blame the media because the media reports true events. I have seen both the violent Islamic protests and the peaceful ones. I absolutely do not believe that the media can simply conjure up stories. As I have said, the Islamic community should not blame the media and instead should focus on rooting out terrorism through the support of moderate Islamic think tanks, democratic governments that respect individual rights and oppose violence, the direct funding of charities that have absolutely no connection to terrorism (there are a few) and fund a campaign of awareness in the Islamic world that shows how cooperation between Muslims and the West is beneficial to everyone (except for extremists).</p>
<p>Blaming the media or the Jews (JamesN especially) will get you nowhere!</p>
<p>just wanted to post something really fast, you know the tape with the soldiers hittin those boys, and the psycko freak yellin yes in the tape? (btw you can see this tape on the News of the World site), THAT is why muslims hate Americans, thats why terrorists like usama bin laden keep threatenin to attack america, I know of course this is a small group of soldiers, and the other soldiers may beleive in their cause, but this is what the Muslims and Arabs in the middle eastern world see, and its what gets them all rialed up...</p>
<p>neverborn: you make me LMAO!!!</p>
<p>[Ever going to answer me on that thread where I proved you're a liar and make **** up? Didn't think so. Shut your mouth, troll.]
dude, we're on this thread, get with the freakin program..</p>
<p>[fund a campaign of awareness in the Islamic world that shows how cooperation between Muslims and the West is beneficial to everyone (except for extremists).]
wat do you think, ISNA, IANA, ICNA, MYNA, CAIR, ISlamic Releif, Life, Global Releif and a bunch of other Islamic organizations do? only thing is, the government is shutting them down one by one, and deportin their founders.. Dyou know how many ppl I know personallyat least 5 ppl (and this is just on my own, like mmy friends' dads ) that have been deported because of VISA CHARGES?!! and coincidently their organizations were shut down at the same time...</p>
<p>"and fund a campaign of awareness in the Islamic world that shows how cooperation between Muslims and the West is beneficial to everyone (except for extremists)."</p>
<p>hahaha, wow you're so naive. Cooperation between Muslims and the West??? Yeah, the Arab Muslims did that with the British in world war one and got screwed over, and then after WWII palestine got screwed over by the west again. You know what is funny, that when the west does cooperate with Muslims (example - Iraq-Iran was america supplied iraqi with biochemical weapons and america supported the muhajideen during the afghan war with afghanistan) eventually they themselves get into fights later. (example - iraq and afghanistan today)</p>
<p>Yes everyone. The West and Jews are all just evil, manipulative bastards. Muslims, on the other hand, are the perfect people. Flawless, pure, unsullied by greed, powerlust, or anything bad. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Seriously, is this the best most of you can do?</p>
<p>Me_ and guguru: See what I mean? Instead of actually looking forward to cooperation among Westerners and Muslims, muslims would rather exterminate the Jewish "conspiracy" (are you guys actually serious?) and maintain the current status quo. Sorry, buddy but if you're visa has run out then you have got to go no ifs ands or buts about it and also many Islamic charities have been linked to funding terrorist organizations.</p>
<p>You know what? Muslims don't hate us because of some tape of abuse or any other torture incident because they themselves condone the use of torture. They hate us not because of what we do but because of WHO WE ARE. They attacked us before any torture incidents, before any invasion, before any mutual hostility back in the 90's. No matter what we do they will always hate us and I think the posters on this thread have demonstrated how entrenched their bigoted ideas are</p>
<p>Everyone here is a smart kid, so I guess we all have tons of hw and stuff to do. I think in conclusion we can see that no side will change thier views so theres no point arguing n e more. Everkingly, in the early 90s (1993) the terrorists first attacked because there were american troops staying on the muslim holyland three years after the gulf war was over. if there were a couple hundred thousand Iranian troops stationed in the Vatican, you would be insanely mad and would probably support blanket bombing Iran with neutron bombs. You have proven yourself to be just as brainwashed as the Muslim terrorists.</p>
<p>Everkingly, you have no right to call anyone bigoted. you cannot understand the root of all of todays problems which is sad.</p>
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Everkingly, you have no right to call anyone bigoted. you cannot understand the root of all of todays problems which is sad.
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<p>gugure,</p>
<p>People who share the same viewpoints that you do are the root of today's problems. They are Muslims who don't condemn terrorism, who actually support it and refuse to denounce it. Until Muslims start denouncing terror, this will never end.</p>
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<p>Everkingly, no one said anything about the media conjuring up stories - the point that was made simply stated that a story about people burning down embassies is more "newsworthy" than people protesting peacefully. The peaceful protests do get coverage - but not as much as they deserve. The media is like this in any case, not just against Muslims.</p>
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They hate us not because of what we do but because of WHO WE ARE... No matter what we do they will always hate us and I think the posters on this thread have demonstrated how entrenched their bigoted ideas are
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<p>Hey, hang on a second here. We're having this nice, friendly debate and you decide to call the posters on this thread bigots? Honestly, after this whole 20 page discussion we've had, you want to tell me that you perceive me as a bigot who hates America? Have you been reading my posts correctly? Really, tell me what you honestly think of me. I'm serious. I want to know.</p>
<p>"People who share the same viewpoints that you do are the root of today's problems. They are Muslims who don't condemn terrorism, who actually support it and refuse to denounce it. Until Muslims start denouncing terror, this will never end."</p>
<p>Cuse, its people like you who are helping the worlds problems continue. I do condemn terrorism, but my point is that you guys should understand what started it. And there are Muslims who condemn terror, but they will never get as much news coverage as Muslims who support terror and even if they do, this will still never end. And I'm not supporting the whole "jews own the media" but the fact is that more people are interested in hearing abuot ppl who support terror tahn about ppl who dont, so to get business the media will mainly talk about ppl who do support terrorism. I think the best way for this to stop is to successfully try to make a workable gov in iraq and then leave it up to them and to remove troops from Saudi Arabia. If we want troops to remain in Iraq, we should send UN peace keeping troops. But i doubt this will ever happen.</p>
<p>guguru:
"Everkingly, in the early 90s (1993) the terrorists first attacked because there were american troops staying on the muslim holyland three years after the gulf war was over. if there were a couple hundred thousand Iranian troops stationed in the Vatican, you would be insanely mad and would probably support blanket bombing Iran with neutron bombs."</p>
<p>Are you an idiot or what? Most modern day terrorist organizations were founded well before the 90's. You might not know this but the Vatican is a purely political capital with very little spiritual importance to Catholicism and also it is very tiny and would never be able to contain "hundreds of thousands of Iranian troops". Besides, American troops were in the Islamic holy land to protect it from the military encroachments of Iraq. You look to talk about how the Jews betrayed the Muslims well I like to point out that Muslims have betrayed our willingness to protect YOUR holy land. If we shouldn't trust Jews because they betrayed Muslims then we should not trust Muslims for their betrayal.</p>
<p>By the way, I am against all forms of violence and would never condone the bombing of any nation.</p>
<p>sydney_bristow87:</p>
<p>When I say bigots I don't include you. I am mainly talking to JamesN whose statements even you wouldn't defend.</p>
<p>sheesh, why are you guys even replying to everkingly? He's prolly a student from Middle School. </p>
<p>I can list a number of Christian terrorist groups in history. I dont see what's the big deal with "Muslim" terrorists. A terrorist is a terrorist, regardless of religion.</p>
<p>Glad to know I'm not a bigot. </p>
<p>Although, I'm slightly bothered by the fact that you stated that Muslims hate America. I hate generalizations, so here's another question: Do you think the Muslims you have encountered so far hate America?</p>