<p>"A terrorist is a terrorist, regardless of religion."</p>
<p>Agreed.</p>
<p>sydney_bristow87:
When did I ever say that? I think I forgot to insert terrorists into one of my posts. Sorry about that.
"You know what? Muslim (terrorists) don't hate us because of some tape of abuse or any other torture incident because they themselves condone the use of torture. They hate us not because of what we do but because of WHO WE ARE. They attacked us before any torture incidents, before any invasion, before any mutual hostility back in the 90's. "
Notice that I said that they attacked us. Not all Muslims have committed terrorist attacks so I definately meant Muslim terrorists.
Sorry again for my discrepancy.</p>
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Not all Muslims have committed terrorist attacks so I definately meant Muslim terrorists.
Sorry again for my discrepancy.
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<p>Thanks for the clarification.</p>
<p>[Sorry, buddy but if you're visa has run out then you have got to go no ifs ands or buts about it and also many Islamic charities have been linked to funding terrorist organizations.]
Dude, no one gets deported on minor visa charges, plus about the Americans never having abused or tortured ppl like that before the muslims started hating the Americans, then you are soo out of it, who teaches you this stuff? and if you learn it on your own, where do you learn it from??</p>
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They are Muslims who don't condemn terrorism, who actually support it and refuse to denounce it.
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Woah, slow down new kid, if you read all his other posts, in none of them does he support the terrorists, its ppl like you who keep things like the patriot act still going.. and just to throw somethin out, anyone know Sami Arian, another 'terrorist,' that theyre holding in jail, only his an american citizen so they cant deport him anywhere so for three years, theyve been havin trials, the lrecent one, the found 9 of 12 charges he was innocent, they still didnt go over the last 3 ones, guess how much the american government has spent on him so far? 40 MILLION dollars..
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Until Muslims start denouncing terror, this will never end.
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oh ya, theyre just gonna get up and stop cuz a bunch of muslims told them too.. anybody with somethin realistic???</p>
<p>[Besides, American troops were in the Islamic holy land to protect it from the military encroachments of Iraq.] somehow, America is always in these things to 'protect' the ppl, im not sayin america is always bad, but im jsut sayin you guys have got to open your eyes a little...</p>
<p>[ou look to talk about how the Jews betrayed the Muslims well I like to point out that Muslims have betrayed our willingness to protect YOUR holy land. If we shouldn't trust Jews because they betrayed Muslims then we should not trust Muslims for their betrayal.] whaaaat... dude, can you post some sources???</p>
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Until Muslims start denouncing terror, this will never end.
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<p>oh ya, theyre just gonna get up and stop cuz a bunch of muslims told them too.. anybody with somethin realistic???
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<p>Seeing how we're back to this point, I'll repeat, there are plenty of Muslim organizations that denounce terror. I believe I provided links earlier. You can't expect the news to do a full report every single day on how CAIR updated it's website and another 216 people signed the petition denouncing terrorism. It's not really newsworthy - and by that, I'm not implying the whole "jews own the media" thing. It's just logical. No one really cares for daily updates on peace efforts.</p>
<p>sydney_bristow87: I don't give a damn about what the media says so just drop it. Nobody cares. The Islamic community has got to condemn terrorism not for publicity. It must push out the extremists regardless of what the media says. All of you are just blaming the media instead of looking at how to correct the flaws of the Islamic community (not to be taken as a religious insult, I mean political flaws).</p>
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The Islamic community has got to condemn terrorism not for publicity. It must push out the extremists regardless of what the media says.
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<p>What the hell do you want the Islamic community to do? Fly to Saudi Arabia or wherever and find Osama's cave? What should we do then? Tell him off?</p>
<p>Really, what's your battle plan here?</p>
<p>Without publicity, no one's voice will be heard.</p>
<p>Everkingly:</p>
<p>"Are you an idiot or what?"</p>
<p>Oooo, again again, the immaturity and the unableness to control yourself comes out. lol, wow, you know, if you were as good a christian as you say you are, you wouldnt call any one an idiot. </p>
<p>"Most modern day terrorist organizations were found before the 90s"</p>
<p>But you said earlier:
"They attacked us before any torture incidents, before any invasion, before any mutual hostility back in the 90's"</p>
<p>I was talking about the first direct attack on American soil.</p>
<p>"You might not know this but the Vatican is a purely political capital with very little spiritual importance to Catholicism and also it is very tiny and would never be able to contain "hundreds of thousands of Iranian troops"."</p>
<p>Maybe not to you, but I'm damn sure that it is extremely important to other catholics. and i was exaggerating about the amount of soldiers, only a dumb*** wouldnt be able to realize that.</p>
<p>"Besides, American troops were in the Islamic holy land to protect it from the military encroachments of Iraq"</p>
<p>And they are still there, what are they doing there? who are they protecting the Saudi's from? I'm confused, I thought Iraq no longer posed a threat. Even after the first gulf war, Iraq's military capabilities were extremely bad, so it could not have attacekd the Saudi's. But of course, everkingly, you are just so smart, that you must have another dumb, naive answer ready.</p>
<p>"You look to talk about how the Jews betrayed the Muslims well I like to point out that Muslims have betrayed our willingness to protect YOUR holy land. If we shouldn't trust Jews because they betrayed Muslims then we should not trust Muslims for their betrayal."</p>
<p>When did I say Jews betrayed the Muslims? How did they betray Muslims? Do you know what ur talking about, cause i dont. Btw, the saudi arabian government did not betray america. I never said we shouldn't trust the jews. I have Jewish friends, and I trust them. Again, this shows that you, my good friend everkingly, have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.</p>
<p>"By the way, I am against all forms of violence and would never condone the bombing of any nation."</p>
<p>So I guess that you think we shouldnt have bombed Afghanistan and we should have let al qaeida remain intact. Wow, and it seems from your posts that you think i support terrorists. (which, let me repeat, i do not)</p>
<p>sydney_bristow87: As I have said, the Islamic community should not blame the media and instead should focus on rooting out terrorism through the support of moderate Islamic think tanks, democratic governments that respect individual rights and oppose violence, the direct funding of charities that have absolutely no connection to terrorism (there are a few) and fund a campaign of awareness in the Islamic world that shows how cooperation between Muslims and the West is beneficial to everyone (except for extremists). It is important for average Muslims living in the ME to realize that the West is not their enemy.</p>
<p>Guguru:
"Oooo, again again, the immaturity and the unableness to control yourself comes out. lol, wow, you know, if you were as good a christian as you say you are, you wouldnt call any one an idiot."
Ya right! A Christian is free to call a person whatever he likes as long as it is true. You are indeed an idiot.</p>
<p>Everkingly:</p>
<p>"I don't give a damn about what the media says so just drop it. Nobody cares."</p>
<p>Haha, well, people watch the news (which btw, i have learned in my marketing class, is part of the media, just thought id let you know), and the news shows things likke ppl burning flags because ppl want to see this stuff and find more reasons to hate (by ppl i mean u). this blinds them, and they cannot see past the truth and they do not understand y these actiosn are taking place. nor do they care (by this i mean u). The Islamic community has already started to push out extremists by helping the US engage terrorists. wat more do you want?</p>
<p>"Ya right! A Christian is free to call a person whatever he likes as long as it is true. You are indeed an idiot."</p>
<p>Everkingly, say we were face to face, and I slapped/backhanded/*****slapped you on the face, what would you do?</p>
<p>and you havent responded to my comments on how i do not think the jews betrayed anyone, on iraq, and on afghanistan.</p>
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and you havent responded to my comments on how i do not think the jews betrayed anyone, on iraq, and on afghanistan.
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trust me he's not going to...</p>
<p>lol yea probably not, hes probalby watching fox news right now.</p>
<p>Guguru:
"I was talking about the first direct attack on American soil."
I was talking about terrorist attacks against the West and not necessarily attacks on American soil. So, obviously we're on different pages.</p>
<p>"Maybe not to you, but I'm damn sure that it is extremely important to other catholics. and i was exaggerating about the amount of soldiers, only a dumb*** wouldnt be able to realize that."
don't be a hypocrite by telling me not to use offensive language while you continue to call me names.</p>
<p>"And they are still there, what are they doing there? who are they protecting the Saudi's from? I'm confused, I thought Iraq no longer posed a threat. Even after the first gulf war, Iraq's military capabilities were extremely bad, so it could not have attacekd the Saudi's. But of course, everkingly, you are just so smart, that you must have another dumb, naive answer ready."</p>
<p>No, there are no American troops in the Islamic holy land of Mecca and its vicinity. There never were American troops near Mecca or in Mecca. I hope you do not consider that all of Sudi Arabia is the Islamic holy land because it isn't.</p>
<p>"When did I say Jews betrayed the Muslims? How did they betray Muslims? Do you know what ur talking about, cause i dont. Btw, the saudi arabian government did not betray america. I never said we shouldn't trust the jews. I have Jewish friends, and I trust them. Again, this shows that you, my good friend everkingly, have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about."</p>
<p>I'm not sure it was you or JamesN or Me_ who blamed the Jews. If it wasn't you, disregard my comment about the Jews.</p>
<p>"So I guess that you think we shouldnt have bombed Afghanistan and we should have let al qaeida remain intact. Wow, and it seems from your posts that you think i support terrorists. (which, let me repeat, i do not)"</p>
<p>No, I've already said this. I do not support any form of violence. That is why I am so adament about the Islamic community correcting itself rather than us having to resort to violence to exterminate terrorists which only fuels a cycle of violence.</p>
<p>Guguru: "Everkingly, say we were face to face, and I slapped/backhanded/*****slapped you on the face, what would you do?"</p>
<p>Well, I would probably pray for your soul. I would not hit back if that's what you are hoping for.</p>