<p>Guguru:
"lol yea probably not, hes probalby watching fox news right now."
Remember that I do not watch Fox. I only watch CNN and MSNBC for news coverage. Sorry. Don't try to paint me as a rightwing extreme conservative Republican.</p>
<p>"don't be a hypocrite by telling me not to use offensive language while you continue to call me names."</p>
<p>Excuse me, but you're the one with random rampages.</p>
<p>"No, there are no American troops in the Islamic holy land of Mecca and its vicinity. There never were American troops near Mecca or in Mecca. I hope you do not consider that all of Sudi Arabia is the Islamic holy land because it isn't."</p>
<p>There are American troops in Saudi Arabia, in which Mecca is contained. How hard is it to just simply remove them?</p>
<p>"I'm not sure it was you or JamesN or Me_ who blamed the Jews. If it wasn't you, disregard my comment about the Jews."</p>
<p>Check your facts before you start making arguments.</p>
<p>"No, I've already said this. I do not support any form of violence. That is why I am so adament about the Islamic community correcting itself rather than us having to resort to violence to exterminate terrorists which only fuels a cycle of violence."</p>
<p>The Islamic community cannot just stop terrorism. Terrorism is mainly an Arab issue because most of the problems the arabs faced were with the west. Now it is considered by them to be a Muslim issue because of the US soldiers in Saudi Arabia. America could simply solve the problem by moving the soldiers. Osama has called for America to remove US soldiers and that is why he is fighting. If we did that, there would be no reason to fight, but we won't because with troops we have a military stronghold and base of power in that region of the world.</p>
<p>"Well, I would probably pray for your soul. I would not hit back if that's what you are hoping for."</p>
<p>I doubt it, I was hoping you could give me an honest reply.</p>
<p>"Remember that I do not watch Fox. I only watch CNN and MSNBC for news coverage. Sorry. Don't try to paint me as a rightwing extreme conservative Republican."</p>
<p>Dude that was a joke. Paint you as a "rightwing extreme conservative Republican"? Buddy you've already done that. If you hold your religious beliefs that dear, it means you are conservative, which means you are republican, which means you are right wing.</p>
<p>Oh, and just to add onto what Guguru said, despite what many of the misconceptions say, Arabs make up only about 30 % of the Muslim population today..</p>
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<p>Unfortunately in this world, there is a religious reality and a politico-economic reality. Removing troops would be great, and I'm sure that the US would love to do so, but it's not politically feasible. Saudi Arabia as a political and economic power trumps Saudi Arabia as a religious power.</p>
<p>Why is it that Saudi supporters are quick to point the finger at the US as the big bad Muslim kicker, but never the Al Saud family?</p>
<p>Probably because they think radical Islam is a good thing...and they are absolute royals, so there could be some consequences in the form of torture. Besides, on the other end, we know that they have the oil; if we tried to do anything about it, we would just have our economy evaporated. We would much rather amke money than take the high road and call the right people to task.</p>
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<p>Um.... I think you just answered your own questions... because they're... their supporters!! omg! [shakes fist at the Saudi monarchy]</p>
<p>Not really. You can be an American and not support the current regime. By the same logic, you can as a Saudi support the nation of Saudi Arabia but not the decisions of the Al Saud family.</p>
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Saudi supporters are quick to point the finger at the US as the big bad Muslim kicker, but never the Al Saud family?</p>
<p>You can be an American and not support the current regime. By the same logic, you can as a Saudi support the nation of Saudi Arabia but not the decisions of the Al Saud family.
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<p>Well, by that token a lot of the people who support Saudi Arabia (eg. muslims because of what the country represents to them, as well as average saudis who don't live as well off as certain... people) do not support it's government and it's <em>cough</em>sellout<em>cough</em> policy.</p>
<p>Dude that was a joke. Paint you as a "rightwing extreme conservative Republican"? Buddy you've already done that. If you hold your religious beliefs that dear, it means you are conservative, which means you are republican, which means you are right wing.</p>
<p>Uhh...</p>
<p>There are religious leftists.
Republicans are not necessarily conservative, and are increasingly moving to the left.</p>
<p>"There are religious leftists.
Republicans are not necessarily conservative, and are increasingly moving to the left."</p>
<p>good point, but it was still a joke.
btw, i do not support the al saud family, and I find it funny that the US backs up and arms a monarchy and I'm surprised that we have not tried to force a democracy upon them.</p>
<p>We have to ultimately blame years of failed American foreign policy for the rise of radical Islam. Remember, the United States helped the Taliban and other extremists fight the Soviets for us in Afghanistan and the U.S. government also sponsored the man whose terrorist group later thousands of innocent Americans. America's selfishness to promote only its own self-interests overseas and the U.S.'s use of the Middle East as an economic chess board caused this to happen...<a href="http://attacked911.tripod.com/%5B/url%5D">http://attacked911.tripod.com/</a></p>
<p>Yes. It's all the US's fault. None of this has to do with the policies of the former Soviet Union.</p>
<p>The problem with arguing foreign policy with people as young as many of you is that none of you can really understand that the Soviet Union once mattered. Hell, I barely remember it.</p>
<p>Soviet Who-nion?</p>
<p>In Soviet Union, foreign policy understand you!</p>
<p>Guguru: "There are American troops in Saudi Arabia, in which Mecca is contained. How hard is it to just simply remove them?"</p>
<p>You might not know this but there are only American training personnel in Saudi Arabia at the present time. There are no troops in Saudi Arabia. This link is to the BBC which confirms what I have just written: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2984547.stm%5B/url%5D">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2984547.stm</a></p>
<p>Guguru:
"I doubt it, I was hoping you could give me an honest reply."</p>
<p>Of course it is my honest reply. Your comment shows how you have preconceived answers. If I had said that I would hit you back, you probably would have called me a hypocrite. When I told you that I would not hit you back, you call me dishonest. I know it's hard for a non-Christian or a non-Buddhist to understand non-violence.</p>
<p>everkingly,</p>
<p>I'm a bit of a pacifist, but I find that when someone hits you, this amazing thing called adrenaline tends to take over. You do stupid stuff, believe me.</p>
<p>UCLAri: Of course, adrenaline kicks in but that is obviously the beauty and difficulty of pacificism. It is the ability to resist natural violent impulses that makes non-violence so precious.</p>
<p>Guguru: "There are American troops in Saudi Arabia, in which Mecca is contained. How hard is it to just simply remove them?"</p>
<p>You might not know this but there are only American training personnel in Saudi Arabia at the present time. There are no troops in Saudi Arabia. This link is to the BBC which confirms what I have just written: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2984547.stm%5B/url%5D">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2984547.stm</a></p>