<p>What do you say to that, guguru?</p>
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I know it's hard for a non-Christian or a non-Buddhist to understand non-violence.
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<p>I've gotta congratulate you, everkingly. You've done it again.</p>
<p>How you manage to make such blatant generalizations is beyond me.</p>
<p>You've just classified 4,021,740,293 people as being violent and having no concept of peace. (2,100,000,000 Christians + 376,000,000 Buddhists = 2,476,000,000. The world population is 6,497,740,293, according to census.gov)</p>
<p>That's about, oh, 60 percent of the world population. Huh. Seems like it'd be a lot more violent than it already is if 60 percent of the world didn't know what peace was.</p>
<p>On behalf of all the Muslims, Jews, Atheists, Hindus, Scientologists, and all other non-Christians and non-Buddhists, I would like to thank you for informing us that we are all violent, and have no understanding of peace. We will now appoint you, oh wise everkingly, as our great leader, to teach us these concepts of peace. We only hope that one day, we will be able to understand non-violence. We await your knowledgeable teachings.</p>
<p>sydney: Nice job. I'm an atheist, so I don't understand non-violence.</p>
<p>Christians, however, DO:
Attacks against Arian heretics
Attacks against Gnostic heretics
Inquisition
Crusades
Albigensian Massacre (Cathar heresy)
Non-involvement during the Holocaust</p>
<p>Post #442. swing!</p>
<p>cool-medal: you rock my world. :o)</p>
<p>wha.... how can the islamic world get mad at a cartoon? It's not as if "death to America" or "death to Israel" are offensive.</p>
<p>Sidney: you couldn't have put it better...</p>
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It's not as if "death to America" or "death to Israel" are offensive.
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So it just so happens, you don't find it offensive.. However, these Muslims got angry, they are like this because Islam means a lot to Muslims. It's more than just a religion to them. It means the world to them. And I quote someone else said:
" I think part of the world perception of Muslims reactions towards incidents of malice aimed at their faith is because the world perception is generated within a context of religion in general. That is, the way Muslims react is compared to the way Christians and Jews react to such things. Since Christians and Jews rarely make a peep when such malice is hurled toward their faith, it makes the outcries of Muslims appear to be that much grander. However, the truth of the matter is that the reaction of Muslims is healthy as long as it doesnt lead to acts which bring harm to innocent individuals. We react with loud cries if someone does malice to our friends or family, so how can we not react even more loudly when someone does that toward our Creator [or prophet]?"
That, I think is enough explanation..</p>
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as long as it doesnt lead to acts which bring harm to innocent individuals.
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<p>unfortunately, that HAS happened, if you care to follow the protests going on all over the Muslim world. therefore, it is not healthy and is not justifiable.</p>
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therefore, it is not healthy and is not justifiable.
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no, the way some of them REACTED was unjustifiable, but the fact that they got so angry is justified.</p>
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unfortunately, that HAS happened, if you care to follow the protests going on all over the Muslim world. therefore, it is not healthy and is not justifiable.
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<p>I think the point here is that your average, moderate, everyday Muslim neither supports these type of actions nor runs around screaming "Death to America!!!" and other such things. One of the most vital parts of Islam is to have good behavior - I don't think there are many people out there who would say burning buildings and chanting "I hate America/Isreal/etc" is the epitome of good manners.</p>
<p>Those who react violently are in the minority. This established, take into consideration the majority of Muslims. We haven't done anything to offend anyone. We aren't terrorists, we're not violent. We're just your average, everyday people. So one day, you find out that there are these horribly insulting cartoons published somewhere that make a mockery of your religion. You're pretty offended, so you sign a petition, vote in a few online polls, maybe organize/participate in a nice peaceful rally. </p>
<p>Sadly, the extremists decide to blow up buildings and make all Muslims look like idiots, and you end up trying to explain it all on CC. I think what Me_ was trying to get across in her post was what your average Muslim feels, not the extremist minority.</p>
<p>sydney_bristow87:</p>
<p>Let's just be honest here. Buddhism and Christianity pride themselves on their tenets that justify non-violence. Most other faiths support the notion of violence so long as it's in self-defense as is the case in Islam. I was just making a very true statement that was not meant to be a back-handed insult. You always seem to pick apart the unimportant lines of my posts without commentating on the substance of my actual replies. You spend so much time reading into my line about me owning an escalade and now about this unimportant line. I was in no way calling anyone intrinsically violent but merely pointing out a true statement that most people especially theologians would agree with.</p>
<p>Neverborn:
"Christians, however, DO:
Attacks against Arian heretics
Attacks against Gnostic heretics
Inquisition
Crusades
Albigensian Massacre (Cathar heresy)
Non-involvement during the Holocaust"</p>
<p>Most of your points about Christians having committed attrocities is true but then again no one has ever refuted those claims.</p>
<p>"Non-involvement during the Holocaust"
What is that supposed to mean? How does non-involvement equal violence? By the way, Chrsitians were very involved in rescuing victims of the Holocaust.</p>
<p>Thats because WWII mostly involved Christians (other than Japan)</p>
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Let's just be honest here. Buddhism and Christianity pride themselves on their tenets that justify non-violence. Most other faiths support the notion of violence so long as it's in self-defense as is the case in Islam. I was just making a very true statement that was not meant to be a back-handed insult. You always seem to pick apart the unimportant lines of my posts without commentating on the substance of my actual replies. You spend so much time reading into my line about me owning an escalade and now about this unimportant line. I was in no way calling anyone intrinsically violent but merely pointing out a true statement that most people especially theologians would agree with.
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<p>You know what, reason is lost on you. I don't even know what to say to you.</p>
<p>1- I don't call saying "Well. An Escalade. That changes everything." reading too much into it. Figure out who posted what before you start tossing around accusations. </p>
<p>2- Well. Lets say that one day, Country X decides to send all of its troops in and invade your country, everkingly. Don't tell me you'd just sit there while they wreak havoc and kill the citizens of your country. You'd gather up some people, and try to fight back. It's just plain stupid not to. I believe there's a term for that sort of thing... hmm, I forget... oh yeah: SELF DEFENSE. Unless you're gonna go find me some Bible verses that explicitly forbid all violence, even in self defense, you can't say that one of the tenets of the faith is nonviolence under all circumstances. I'm not saying Christianity is a violent religion. It's quite possible to be peaceful while supporting self-defense.</p>
<p>3- I highly doubt most people would agree with your statement. Let's remember, 60% of the world's population isn't Christian or Buddhist. Even if their religion allows violence in self-defense, that doesn't necessarily mean that the followers of the religion are inherently violent.</p>
<p>4- If you actually hadn't meant to call anyone violent, you would have found a better way to phrase your statement. "I know that it's hard for non-Christians and non-Buddhists to understand nonviolence" isn't my idea of stating that Christianity and Buddhism are the only "peaceful" religions. You were saying that followers of religions other than Christianity and Buddhism have difficulty understanding the concept of peace - that is an entirely different point than the one you claim to have made.</p>
<p>5- I apologize if I have picked apart the unimportant lines of your post. However, I feel that I have adequately picked apart most of it, and disregarded the insignificant points. If I somehow haven't picked up on the main idea of your argument, please point it out to me, as it seems you are very adept at hiding the important lines of your posts.</p>
<p>sydney_bristow87:
"You know what, reason is lost on you. I don't even know what to say to you."
Likewise. In addition, you seem to lack the ability to properly read my posts. </p>
<p>"Well. Lets say that one day, Country X decides to send all of its troops in and invade your country, everkingly. Don't tell me you'd just sit there while they wreak havoc and kill the citizens of your country. You'd gather up some people, and try to fight back. It's just plain stupid not to."</p>
<p>No, it is not stupid not to. It is morally and ethically correct not to cause the deaths of fellow humans. Remember, in a sense, we have already been invaded and attacks by Muslim terrorists. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are intended to violently purge this world of Muslim terrorism. I am a devout peace activist who greatly opposes any military involvement that causes human casualties even if those killed are terrorists. So, essentially I have already answered your comment. You try to argue against my comment about the importance and holiness of non-violence. You argue that non-Buddhists and non-Christians can understand non-violence. However, your comment that not "to fight back" would be "STUPID" proves just how little you value non-violence and validates my point. So, I congratulate you in proving my point. I greatly appreciate it.</p>
<p>"I believe there's a term for that sort of thing... hmm, I forget... oh yeah: SELF DEFENSE. Unless you're gonna go find me some Bible verses that explicitly forbid all violence, even in self defense, you can't say that one of the tenets of the faith is nonviolence under all circumstances."</p>
<p>First of all, did you not read my comment about Islam advocating self-defense so you don't need to act as if I did not mention self-defense in my post? Read my comments properly or don't waste my time.</p>
<p>How about this Bible verse: "Thou shalt not kill." (Exodus 20:13). This is not just any verse but one of the Ten Commandments.
Notice how there is no mention of self-defense. Isn't it pretty self-explanatory. In addition, Christians should always strive to emulate Jesus Christ who stands as the only true example of resurrection and salvation. Jesus Christ never resorted to violence even self-defense. Thus, Christianity deeply advocates non-violence. So, I can say that one of the tenets of Christianity is non-violence. You can't say that it is not.</p>
<p>"I highly doubt most people would agree with your statement. Let's remember, 60% of the world's population isn't Christian or Buddhist. Even if their religion allows violence in self-defense, that doesn't necessarily mean that the followers of the religion are inherently violent."</p>
<p>Again, did you even read my comment? Did you not read this part of my post: "I was in no way calling anyone intrinsically violent"? You're putting words in my mouth. Read my comments properly or don't waste my time!</p>
<p>"If I somehow haven't picked up on the main idea of your argument, please point it out to me, as it seems you are very adept at hiding the important lines of your posts."</p>
<p>Nice back-handed insult. You never cease to amaze me!</p>
<p>muslims routinely post caricatures of Jews in their newspapers. The Jews do nothing.
some danish newspaper posts caricature of Muslims, hundreds of thousands of muslims are up in the streets.</p>
<p>its simple.
its a double standard.</p>
<p>Xe<em>Ln</em>Ag_A: I agree that there is definately a double standard.</p>
<p>Look at this cartoon! It is so hilarious. <a href="http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/2558/2cartoon8kk.gif%5B/url%5D">http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/2558/2cartoon8kk.gif</a></p>
<p>i agree Xe_Ln... muslim newspapers villify Bush and Jews, yet they flip out when some Danish newspaper has a funny drawing of them</p>
<p>Guys, the reason Muslims can make charicatures of Jews is because Jews are evil. C'mon, I'm Jewish, and I'm super evil. </p>
<p>:rolleyes:</p>
<p>everkingly: You wish to see our annihilation.</p>