<p>i simply don't believe in holding a man's word against him when it comes to something that can't possibly be politically correct. people will feel how they feel, based solely off of experiences, cultures, media, and perception. can we truly judge a man based upon his political views? i think not.</p>
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Some pretty interesting ideas in here.</p>
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But if you poke fun of a holy figure, you better expect violent protests and face the consequences.
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<p>We shouldn't expect a group of people to kill over a false prophet who died in a cave thousands of years ago. It represents a very dangerous affront to 21st century ideals of free speech and scientific inquiry. </p>
<p>I exhort everyone here to read the Koran. I also exhort everyone to realize that Islam is divided into two sects, "The House of Islam" and the "House of War." Implicitly, this means that Moslems are a constant war with non-Moslem heathens.</p>
<p>And I am not trying to give Christianity or Judaism or any other religion more clout than Islam. But what I am trying to do, through an objective analysis of scientific data, is categorize Islam as a very real threat to the 21st century Western world. And by Islam, I do not mean just extremists, because any rational individual would classify a devout Moslem as an "extremist." The same can undoubtably be said about practicing Christians and Jews; their outlandish religious books still re-enforce 1 AD stereotypes, demand conquest from their followers, etc, and any orthodox Christian and Jew is an undeniable "extremist" in the modern sense of the world. But, in terms of the here and now, it is in the Islamic faith that we find the most irrational violence and despicable stone-aged stereotypes ("honor killings," oppression of women, terrorism in general). We can argue for days about whether these grievous violations of human rights are the result of social and economic failure in the Middle East, or whether it's just because the Moslem faith has never had any sort of Reformation. But the fact of the matter is that the hate is there ; it's in the KORAN, it's in the BIBLE, it's in every religious text our fellow humans have ever written.</p>
<p>Wake up before your state starts banning abortion, wake up before another airplane is flown into our buildings. Religion is the enemy. And that includes --especially includes-- the car burning cult of Islam. We can no longer ensconse ourselves in such a blind political correctness that we can only point out flaws in our country's most popular religion. My respect for organized religion in general went up in the acrid smoke of 9/11, as did my respect for tolerance of the Moslem faith.</p>
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<p>By just reading that I realized you intelligence span is minute. But whateva....</p>
<p>I did not bother to read the rest because I know it'd be cow manure.</p>
<p>deity: Nice post. Be sure not to listen to JamesN, as he will not debate, just throw ad hominems and unfounded claims.</p>
<p>Also note: Neverborn hates Muslims and wants them to be non-existant. Now, I dont support Muslim violence, but I like to keep things real.</p>
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By just reading that I realized you intelligence span is minute. But whateva....</p>
<p>I did not bother to read the rest because I know it'd be cow manure.
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<p>When an ideologue has no reponse but "I know your arguement is ******** but won't tell you why," you know you're doing something right! </p>
<p>People like you are the reason religion still exists. If you met a religion-mongerer on the streets and you engaged in a discussion of current events, you would demand that he present reasonable proof for believing certain things about economics, politics, the arts, etc, etc. However, when the topic of religion is brought up, he is given a free pass. He is allowed to believe that certain types of behaviour are "heretical," that shrimp should not be eaten, and that an "loving" God is watching over the world at any given moment in time, simply because his belief system has gathered clout over millenia via ideological repression, physical intimidation, etc, etc. </p>
<p>So your viewpoint essentially boils down to this:
"HAY GUYS IF A BUNCH OF IRRATIONAL 7TH CENTURY BARBARIANS WANT TO BELIEVE THAT SOME RANDOM GUY WAS A PROPHET AND KILL PEOPLE BECAUSE SOMEONE MADE A VERY POIGNANT SOCIAL AND POLITICAL COMMENTARY, WHO ARE WE TO QUESTION THEM!??! IF THEY WANT TO BELIEVE THAT WOMEN ARE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS AND SHOULD BE MURDERED IF RAPED, WELL WHO CARES?!?! YOU CANT SAY THAT ABOUT MULSIMS BECAUSE THEY ARE A MINORITY IN OUR COUNTRY AND ARE SIMPLY MISUNDERSTOOD."</p>
<p>You make me sick.</p>
<p>Another arguement that makes me ill is when people assume that if religion were expunged, all human morality would simply evaporate. This is just not the case. Morality exists outside of religious ideology. In fact, a modern reading of most religious texts would classify most of these ston-aged tracts are "amoral." I would also like someone to point out any --ANY-- society that , in the history of mankind, has become "less moral" or "less enlightened" as the result of becoming more rational.</p>
<p>Like the wise man said: Its impossible to teach someone anything who doesnt have the capability of learning ;)</p>
<p>btw, Women here arent portrayed much as humans as well. Even though they have rights, the worlld sees American women as sluts and pieces of meat for pleasure. That is why they consider America an immoral nation. Their logic is flawed, just like the logic of fellow Americans like you :)</p>
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btw, Women here arent portrayed as humans as well. Even though they have rights, the worlld sees American women as sluts and pieces of meat for pleasure. That is why they consider America an immoral nation. They logic is flawed, just like the logic of fellow Americans like you
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<p>Yes, yes! Middle Eastearn theocrats hate America because our country sees women as pieces of meat; Islamists simply want our females to be unfettered from years of unjust oppression! This is why they flew two 747 airplanes into the heart of our financial district! Oh, Islamic imam, save our America from a world where women are viewed as mere "meat!" Restore us to the glory days of the 7th century when women were not even considered citizens and were forced to veil their faces before a male!</p>
<p>My logic is most definitely not flawed. The same can not be said about your syntactical and grammatical mastery of the English language.</p>
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Yes, yes! Middle Eastearn theocrats hate America because our country sees women as pieces of meat; Islamists simply want our females to be unfettered from years of unjust oppression! This is why they flew two 747 airplanes into the heart of our financial district! Oh, Islamic imam, save our America from a world where women are viewed as mere "meat!" Restore us to the glory days of the 7th century when women were not even considered citizens and were forced to veil their faces before a male!
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My logic is most definitely not flawed. The same can not be said about your syntactical and grammatical mastery of the English language.
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<p>Read these quotes to see what I mean when your logic is flawed. I did make some grammatical errors, but its not like I am brainwashed with bull like you. Sheesh, if you hate a culture, at least have some good reasons to back it up.</p>
<p>Looks like I found someone more primitive than Darwin himself.</p>
<p>Wait, so why was Darwin primitive? Because he spearheaded a revolution in biological science?</p>
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<p>The greatest development in scientific history is the Periodic Table lol.</p>
<p>Suppose even IF Darwin's theory is true, it has no practical application whatsoever.</p>
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Read these quotes to see what I mean when your logic is flawed. I did make some grammatical errors, but its not like I am brainwashed with bull like you. Sheesh, if you hate a culture, at least have some good reasons to back it up.</p>
<p>Looks like I found someone more primitive than Darwin himself.
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<p>Perhaps you could identify these logical flaws? Or no, your just in the business of "you're arguement is wrong, but I'm not telling why! Let me debase you with adhominem attacks by calling you 'brainwashed!'"</p>
<p>BTW, I don't hate a culture; I hate a religion. And yes, my rational hate of stone-aged beliefs is so very primitive!</p>
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BTW, I don't hate a culture; I hate a religion. And yes, my rational hate of stone-aged beliefs is so very primitive!
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<p>No need for sarcasm. If you think Islam is primitive, then you better believe all other religions are primitive as well, since Islam is one of the last religions out there.</p>
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<p>James,</p>
<p>Evolutionary theory is the linchpin of biology today. It is used many different important technologies like antibiotics and vaccines.</p>
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No need for sarcasm. If you think Islam is primitive, then you better believe all other religions are primitive as well, since Islam is one of the last religions out there.
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<p>JamesN, I would like to thank you for paying meticulous attention to my previous posts!</p>
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<p>I like people who abstain from reading others' well-thought out responses and simply dismiss these posts as inherently "racist," "intolerant," etc without even reading what the other person has to say! JamesN, you are the poster boy for Internet debate gone awry.</p>
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<p>lolz.
that's ridiculous.</p>
<p>and why are we talking about darwin in a debate about the cartoons anyway?</p>
<p>To tell you the truth, I don't know. You know how JamesN always likes to poke fun at Darwin because JamesN can't understand evolutionary theory and the overwhelming amount of research that supports it.</p>
<p>JamesN: You never cease to amaze me!</p>
<p>You recently posted this: "Now, I dont support Muslim violence, but I like to keep things real."</p>
<p>However, a while back, you posted this: "If you mess with one prophet, you better expect a response by the Muslim community. People there live and breathe Islam, abd bashing such a holy Islamic figure, would only incite violence."</p>
<p>So you don't support Muslim violence but if I or anyone else offends Muhammed then I definately deserve a violent response.</p>
<p>D3!ty: I would just like to respond to your posts in general. </p>
<p>You have some posts that are very.....interesting. Although I can understand some of your logic and the reasoning behind your disdain for organized religion, I take great offense to your post that religion is the enemy. In my opinion, religion is definately not the enemy. WE ARE THE ENEMY. Often times, religion gets blamed for persecutions, wars, oppression, poverty and the list goes on. But at the end of the day, we have to realize that if there were no organized religions the world would not be a better place. Human cruelty and immorality is behind terrorism and the attrocities that plague the world. Organized religion, like any other human creation, is susceptible to the often disgusting nature of humanity. We can't sit around and blame all of our problems and the problems of the past on religion because the real cause and root of all of the injustices of this world is human nature.</p>
<p>However, there is also hope for humanity because human nature also contains a generous and loving component. No one can say that organized religions have not helped society. The modern community activism movement has its roots in several Christian movements. Although the early humanist philosophers were atheist or agnostic, many of their tenets were closely tied to the Christian tenets of social unity, generosity, and social activism.</p>
<p>I am not saying that we should not criticize the errors or flaws in religion but we always have to take into account the positive attributes of religion. Otherwise, our arguments are only one-sided and highly biased.</p>