<p>Qiz-</p>
<p>I know you have APs, so thanks for taking time for the speculations. It makes this thread fun. Hugs to everyone as we wait for this week’s news. Fingers crossed.</p>
<p>Optimism!</p>
<p>Perhaps I’m dense, but what are “z-listees?”</p>
<p>that was some really fun reading qiz. now onto studying for my IB Math exam</p>
<p>@Courteau: Z-listers are those who are accepted off the wait list but have the opportunity to matriculate the year after.</p>
<p>And I REALLY REALLY do not think Harvard’s WL is 3000+ or even close to that number. I just really do not lol.</p>
<p>I agree, MS, or at least I desperately hope, H’s waitlist isn’t a crazy number like Duke’s.</p>
<p>Courteau, here are two articles about the Z-List. </p>
<p>Here’s a newer one–</p>
<p>[Z-Listed</a> Students Experience Year Off | The Harvard Crimson](<a href=“http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2010/3/30/students-year-harvard-zlist/]Z-Listed”>Z-Listed Students Experience Year Off | News | The Harvard Crimson)</p>
<p>And here’s an older one–</p>
<p>[The</a> Back Door to the Yard | The Harvard Crimson](<a href=“http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2002/6/6/the-back-door-to-the-yard/]The”>The Back Door to the Yard | News | The Harvard Crimson)</p>
<p>Hi guys, I just wanted to say that I hate how Duke is getting all this attention from the NYTimes article when they don’t waitlist more people than they admit (although they are close). Hopkins actually waitlisted 4206 people while only admitting 4062 people in 2008. And even if (worst case scenario) Harvard waitlists people at the same rate as that horrific year at Hopkins, 2110*1.05 = 2216 people offered a waitlist spot. If (again, worst case scenario) 85.1% of people accept Harvard’s waitlist offer (like MIT in 2008), then we are left with an active waitlist of 1886. So I would say that the worst case scenario is an active waitlist of 1886.</p>
<p>The z-list is usually pretty small, and can’t be accounted for in predictions, so I’ve given up trying. </p>
<p>-Optimism!</p>
<p>I just have this strong feeling that it is not in the thousands.</p>
<p>MorganSimone, I agree! perhaps 1886 people on the waitlist, but nothing larger. 1886 is not thousands.</p>
<p>-Kumbaya</p>
<p>Duke? JH? These are not Harvard peers (at least not for admissions policy) … If you want to guess Harvard’s waitlist size and waitlist acceptance rate, you should consider only other institutions with similar admissions dynamics (certainly NOT Duke) … If you do this you come to an actual waitlist of about 600-700 …</p>
<p>and a word about Duke. Duke has problems with diversity, and I don’t mean diversity in the way most think … Duke has NO socioeconomic diversity … It’s a school of and for RICH KIDS … They know it, but they just can’t seem to find the will to do anything about it. Because of these problems they have a terrible yield % and so MUST have a large waitlist. They started calling from the list even before May 1st. </p>
<p>[Duke</a> draws ?rich kids of all colors? | The Chronicle](<a href=“http://dukechronicle.com/article/duke-draws-rich-kids-all-colors]Duke”>Duke draws ‘rich kids of all colors’ - The Chronicle)</p>
<p>To Harvard’s credit, they have taken bold action to do something about their own “rich kid” problem and it seems to be working … unlike Duke, IF I get called by Harvard, I WILL attend … and even though I was admitted, I NEVER had a real chance to attend Duke …</p>
<p>plumazul: I agree with you completely. If you look at my post a few pages back, I think around 725 students have accepted Harvard’s waitlist offer; I am merely saying that 1886 is the worst possible case.</p>
<p>Also, some pretty good colleges seem to be going to their waitlists quite early! ( from <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/920453-list-schools-going-their-waitlist-3.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/920453-list-schools-going-their-waitlist-3.html</a> )</p>
<p>Brandeis
Bucknell
Chicago
Duke
Elon University
Emory
Ithaca College
Juilliard (violin specifically; not sure of other disciplines)
Loyola Maryland
Providence College
Rice
Texas A&M University
University of Delaware
University of Miami
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
University of Texas at Austin
Washington & Lee
Hamilton College </p>
<p>I’m feeling optimistic!</p>
<p>I really believe the waitlist is under 1500 people and around 1000 stay on. I don’t know why we think Harvard waitlists everyone. They don’t. Penn’s is much larger because they’re almost twice as large as Harvard but they still don’t take many off the waitlist.</p>
<p>I just spoke to a Harvard representative and she told me that the “wait list is in a few hundreds and they anticipate to take 50 students off of it.” She had no idea about the number of positive replies. The number she gave me , according to her, was the number proposed originally at the time when the first round of decisions was complete and so there seems to be a greater chance that the number of students taken off of the wait list would be at least higher than a 50.</p>
<p>If the waitlist is only several hundred, 50 would be a good percentage. I really want to know the yield already though.</p>
<p>fb has 1104 people in the 2014 class.</p>
<p>That’s good news. Last year on 5/8, 2013 FB was 1210 members.</p>
<p>BTW great scoop, astrophy. Thanks!</p>
<p>Yes, great scoop! Still waiting for the statement lol</p>
<p>I agree, great information astro! But a word of caution; several hundred can be anywhere from 200 to 100000000000. </p>
<p>Also, 50 acceptances off the waitlist corresponds to a yield of 76% (unchanged from last year). So we can still hope for a drop in yield</p>
<p>The University of Virginia, RPI, Bard, and Cal Poly have all started going to their waitlists.</p>
<p>Does anyone have any ideas for more things I can do with numbers? I really don’t want to study for APs</p>
<p>^ "I really don’t want to study for APs "</p>
<p>Oh, but you should 
… Had French today and Stats tomorrow. My goal is not to get a 5, … I aim higher 
…</p>
<p>Ah Plumazul, why study for AP stats when there is data right in front of you? cumulative frequencies, z-scores, P-values, Chi-square tests… So many things which can actually be used with the data we have on colleges instead of just being studied :o</p>