The Journey Class of 2020 ... Denials, redirections, etc.

@anxiousthespian2016 Congrats! I like your appreciation for the parents!

You commented:

I just want to say that even though you will be committing to OCU by May 1 (a great school and one you really like…yay!), IF you were to get an offer off of the wait list at NYU/Steinhardt down the line (this typically happens after May 1), you are at liberty to take that offer and enroll at NYU. The only loss would be your deposit fee at OCU. I can’t tell if you realize that. Certainly embrace OCU, which you have in hand!

results with last decision today
Pre screen rejection - ithaca
Artistic rejection- pace, ccm. u mich, rider (never completed dance audition) - snowpocalyse. elon
WL- indiana u , emerson, temple
Acceptances- U miami, hartt, NYU
I feel her yield with no college coaches and no summer camps (long story- she was in hospital) was great.
proud mommy here!

Yeah @sleepymom!

Congrats to those who received Good news from NYU & other final schools! We share a NO with others today, but are thrilled to join the ranks of having all decisions in! The NO from Steinhardt makes 3… 2WL and 5 acceptances. Overall feeling grateful for experiences along the way, having choices, and great advice and support from many of you on CC. Thanks to all.

Last decision came today:
Prescreen rejections: Ithaca, Penn State
Artistic rejections: Boston University, Elon, Florida State, Temple, Syracuse, Pace MT
Waitlist: Indiana University, JMU MT, Pace Acting
Accepted: JMU acting, NYU, UMiami, UArts, Point Park, UTampa, Tulane, American, Muhlenberg

So here we go…
Prescreen rejections: Indiana, Ithaca, Syracuse
Artistic rejections: Michigan, Elon, CMU, CCM, Penn State, Baldwin Wallsce, Webster
Wait list: NYU Tisch, Emerson, CCPA
Accepted: Hartt, Muhlenberg, American

Finally finished waiting on school decisions!
My S’s outcomes:

Initial list: AMDA, NYU Tisch, Juilliard, Carnegie Mellon, Roosevelt/CCPA, Marymount Manhattan, Shenandoah, University of Oklahoma, Boston Conservatory

Pre-screen rejections: none

Academic rejections: none

Artistic rejections: Juilliard, Carnegie Mellon

Voluntarily withdrew before auditioning after campus visits: Shenandoah and Marymount

Accepted/viable options: (alpha order) AMDA, BoCo, NYU Tisch, Roosevelt/CCPA, and University of Oklahoma

Now we figure out where to land! Best wishes for all of the joyful (why they love the schools) and difficult (why we can’t afford it, why it might not be a good choice, etc.) conversations ahead. These kids all need an extra tassel/cord/star at high school graduation for having survived/thrived this process!

@boatmom let us know how your visit to Montclair goes. We are visiting in July mom of Junior D who will be doing this next year.

Finally the moment to do this – so happy it’s sort of all over! And our story is very Wizard of Oz-like - a long journey only to rediscover that home was right in front of you all along. And yes, there is a happy ending.

I’ll say at the outset, though I thought I knew a lot about this process and the level of competition ahead of time, I totally didn’t get it. We live near NYC and know lots of working NYC theater professionals, all of whom, having seen D perform, told us with that D was exceptional and would be successful both in college acceptances and in having a professional MT life. One, a producer, has even booked her a couple of times for prestigious professional vocal jobs. She had spectacular recommendations from a couple of them. Because of our proximity to the real world of NYC theater, and the validation from it, I thought it was going to be a whole lot easier than it was. What I learned most is that college auditions/decisions often net really different results/appraisals than working world equivalents.

Background: no coaching - didn’t think we needed it, small public, non PA HS, years of training in voice and dance, couple of years in acting, largely in NYC, and strongest areas, we thought, were voice and theater dance. We figured D’s best results would be from voice and dance-focused schools, and the ones which wanted just one, contemporary, monologue. Got that completely wrong - her best results came in the auditions where they wanted to see the most, particurly those which wanted a classical monologue along with a contemporary. Total surprise. Also, her preference was to leave NYC (though she loves it) for college years, hence only one NY application.

Story began a bit differently than most because finally, I can say that D did the BoCo MTDI program last summer, completely loved everything about it and one day towards the end of it an email from D arrived for me with the subject header: The Best News Of My Life! They had brought her in and told her she was accepted for Class of 2020. It was incredibly exciting and gave her an enormous psychological boost going into all of this.

I held off on posting this here all CC season because it was told to her privately, we were unaware of any similar offers to others in the program, and I wasn’t sure about sharing it during application season, but it altered her course completely. She basically cut half her list off - any schools which she wouldn’t have chosen over BoCo plus any schools one had to travel to to audition, with the one exception of Michigan.

So, in terms of MT she wound up only applying to 8 programs, all audition, all competitive: Ithaca, Syracuse, CCM, UMich, CMU, Emerson, Manhattan School of Music plus BoCo (she still needed to go through the process there).

Passed all pre-screens - which we did totally low-tech.

Auditioned for Young Arts using audition season material - also low-tech - and was amazed to be named an HM winner. (As a result, she’s about to do the YA Regional Week in NYC, which is really exciting.)

We were thinking: we got this.

Wrong.

Decided to do one audition ahead of the curve to get the practice, and chose the school she was least invested in, Emerson, which had Early Action. Figured she’d get a deferral, at the very least.

Rejected. Oh so naively then couldn’t believe it. Looking back, it was a necessary correction of attitude and started us on the path to understanding how tough this is.

NY Unifieds, all auditions went well - one weird experience in the interview portion with one school, but CMU was an outstanding audition, even factoring in how much everyone loves their CMU auditions. Flew to UMich in February, straightforward, fine, dance component totally her Fosse wheelhouse.

Results started coming in: CCM - a hold; Ithaca - rejected.

Last audition was Manhattan School of Music, on Feb. 29, was offered acceptance “in the room”, which felt great, though D still preferred BoCo. A couple of weeks later got a “no” from Michigan and the CCM hold disappointingly, as we thought she might be a CCM “type”, turned into a no.

That was the low point. Especially as by then I was starting to panic over the potential cost of BoCo. In the euphoria over the admission, I had kind of glossed over the money component, and as the months went by and I saw how tough this all was, and heard all the BoCo never gives anyone much because they don’t have much, I began getting really scared about completely devastating my D if it wound up being unaffordable.

The day after the lowest point, which had my D in tears, considering herself a failure despite my telling her it was normal for MT admissions, the BoCo acceptance email arrived, and with it a larger than expected talent scholarship, which enabled us to say definitively, “Yes - you can attend”. Huge happiness followed. Like HUGE. She loves the school, the vibe, Boston, and especially the family atmosphere there from both students and faculty. And the phenomenal dance program there.

Then, just hours later, she opened the Carnegie-Mellon portal and was stunned by a waitlist. Beyond anything else, it was a giant validation, at exactly the moment she needed it, regardless of whether or not she clears it. Financial aid package arrived a couple of days later and, because we have “need” it more or less matched the cost of BoCo’s.

Finally, it all came to a conclusion yesterday with a Syracuse WL. So, what I would have initially perceived as terrible results at the beginning of this process, I now have come to understand and accept as quite normal, if one is applying to the most competitive, percentage-wise, MT programs: 2 acceptances, 2 WL, 4 rejections.

Continued…

Continued…sorry it’s so epic…

In the end, D feels extremely happy. She is on the Priority WL at CMU, which was her first choice school throughout much of this process, and will find out in early May. But, more important than that, she loves and feels loved by BoCo, has deep connections with some of the faculty and feels honored to go there and wouldn’t even necessarily choose the hardest-to-get-into one over the other. If the choice becomes hers, a lot of consideration on her part will go into making the decision for her.

What I would do differently: it pains me to write these words, but I would use a coach. We didn’t need one for advising on schools - I love to research and would have come up with a good range had we needed to go the 15-18 route - and there absolutely would have been some safeties on there, both admittance-wise and economic. I did this with my two older, non-arts, kids, successfully. But where I feel we must have stumbled was matching particular repertoire, perhaps especially on monologues, maybe on songs, to the specific colleges. If we could do it over (and thanks but no thanks on that!), I would work with a coach targeting that particular aspect of the process. I do think it might have altered a couple of the results. But then again, who knows? it may have had no bearing and the rejecting schools simply may have had no use for a 5’5" brunette legit soprano this year.

The other thing is that I just wouldn’t have done any long distance, expensive trips unless it was for an on-campus audition or a post-acceptance visit. With the odds involved, if money is an issue, as it is for us, it’s pretty pointless. Aside from going to Michigan for the audition, we did one other, and I now see that expenditure as ridiculous. Apply it to the tuition - you’ll need it.

So a crazy, arduous, bonding year which we kind of could have skipped all of, after the July BoCo acceptance, since we’ve wound up where we started out. But, it’s all great preparation for the profession ahead and it seems to have only made my D more determined, convinced that the BFA is the right path for her (she wrestled with leaving academics largely behind for a long time) and resourceful than ever.

A final shout-out to the kids on CC - two who come to mind are @ParachuteBoy and @destiny95 - I’ve been so impressed over how you’ve handled things, organizationally and emotionally - at times I wondered whether you were really teenagers - although of course, maybe it is precisely because you are teenagers – I admire your dedication and tenacity. Best of luck to you both, wherever you land – you’ll do fine – and to everyone here, I’m sure your kids will be blissfully happy, doing what they love to do, come September, wherever they are.

“The List”: Baldwin Wallace, CCM, Montclair, Texas State

Walk-in’s @ Unifides: Ball State, CAP21, Oklahoma Acting, Viterbo

Did not pursue Oklahoma or Viterbo (although they were very nice and gave good feedback.)

Accepted at Ball State and CAP21.

On-Campus Auditions: Texas State & CCM (Rejected by both)

Video Submission: Baldwin Wallace (Wait List) *through a series of circumstances (our schedule and BW’s glut of auditions/lack of Unified presence) we submitted videos. It was more of a due-diligence move. We did not think he would get anything, but he got on the waitlist…

Scheduled Unified Audition: Montclair State (Received Accepted 2/29)

Wes received his Texas State rejection on 2/11 and his CCM rejection on 2/23. You know how it is, he started questioning himself and his ability and was this even the right thing to pursue, etc. Then on 2/29 he got the big packet from Montclair with his acceptance. While he was opening the envelope his cell phone rang with his acceptance from Ball State. All was right with the world.

Final Decision: Montclair State

It would be awesome for people to use the Final Decisions Background 2020 thread for final decisions! :smiley: Think it would be easier to find/read.

Maybe some of the messages already posted here could just be copied and pasted to Final Decisions 2020? It would be nice to have them all in one place.

Thank you so much @rampions !!! :slight_smile: so happy for you and your D!!

Oops, sorry - I thought there was a more appropriate one but then forgot to seek it out. I will copy and paste and apologies to anyone who starts to read it twice – once is definitely enough!

I don’t want to post final decisions here but d pulled herself off of temple and emerson wait lists today. told miami she isn’t coming and is visiting NYU and Hartt within the next 2 weeks!

Ughhh we are still waiting for word from multiple schools kind of hard to start deciding…I am jealous! I thought we were waiting for 2 but my D reminded me that there are 2 others that we are pretty certain are No’s but have not actually heard anything so…we are waiting for 4!!!

Just got an email from Western Carolina D is accepted BFA MT!!! Yay!!!

Maybe Hartt will come in mail Monday?? @craz4mtsmom

I hope so that is the final piece of the puzzle! The others are no longer relevant as WCU is her top choice at this time!