<p>@collegeftw - Snapping back at me only furthers the off topic bickering that you, yourself, are annoyed about.</p>
<p>@Light Airen … The only reason I snapped at you was because I read one of your earlier posts in which I took an immediate disliking to your User Name.
Thread Name “What are my chances of getting into Columbia”
Your Response: “Slim to None”
People have feelings you know?
I understand that that kid had EXTREMELY low chances of admission, and you were just being honest. But brutal much?!? Especially as his first response!</p>
<p>@ robinson1
1)uh no when did I say I was annoyed by the “off topic bickering” that you seem to do really well?</p>
<p>2) Was I wrong when I said instead of contributing to the topic at hand, you were being petty and calling people who replied to the OP’s question “pretentious?” o.0</p>
<p>3) LMAO did you really just post that dude? Your calling out someone because they honestly answered a chance thread??? WOW theres a reason for chance thread dude, not so OP’s can see a string of “YES YOU WILL GET IN.” Wow man, just wow.</p>
<p>4) first our friend wants to be internet police and stop people from using sarcasm on forums like this, now he’s saying don’t answer chance threads negatively, even if a person has no chance of getting in. I’ll let the reader decide to laugh on their own.</p>
<p>5) I have to apologize for the side-tracking that robinson’s stream of responses brought. Robinson, if you start contributing to this thread (any way you can man, any way you can) then we can get a lively discussion/debate going, and I wouldn’t have to waste 5 minutes answering your illogical chiding. </p>
<p>@ gshak
- LOL at the thread Light Airen linked…looks like our elitist friend isn’t in college either
- much as I think your arguments are flawed, I respect you for bring up your points of view and being mature/reasonable enough, unlike Robinson1, who…lmao, just, lmao. No comment.</p>
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<li><p>i did not concede that zuckerberg and einstein are exceptions to the rule. i clearly said that their success was not a result of their ability to speak and gather a following; rather, it was due to their brilliance in science and computer technology, and to their innovative minds. furthermore, because one is held in high esteem in a company or something of the sort does not necessarily indicate a knack for sociability. have you ever heard of bill gates and steve ballmer? steve jobs and wozniak? heck, even ben and jerry? these are all partnerships in which one individual controls one facet of the company and the other controls another facet (one, for example, solicits, while the other is the ice cream maker). hence, zuckerbergs position of CEO does not directly imply eloquence on his part or other things. in fact, somebody in this thread referred to him as “socially awkward”.
that being said, of course they are successful! just as jobs, gates, and many others were. you dont need to be social for everything! that would be preposterous. of course not! you dont need to be social to invent the cure for AIDS! just brilliant with medicine and science. if i came across as recalcitrant in my belief that a degree without sociability would not prevail please allow me to capitulate and apologize.</p></li>
<li><p>i did in fact say that medical doctors needed degrees. refer to post #9 last paragraph.</p></li>
<li><p>its called bias. </p></li>
<li><p>socially awkward people with degrees do not succeed <em>often</em>. and, as rude as this will sound, ugly people with degrees fail often as well.</p></li>
<li><p>i dont know why you quoted “concede”.</p></li>
<li><p>no, going to college would not necessarily make one a better businessman by the traditional definition of the word.</p></li>
<li><p>its not about DROPPING OUT. you are failing to see the central point in my argument (although i am presenting it a little poorly- i find it difficult to stay focused on the computer). its about the qualities necessary to succeed- degree or not. my main point is that a degree does not guarantee success if a person does not know how to use it or what to use it with. my side point is that a person who has good qualities (not necessarily a studyholic) and ambition can succeed also! (sure, great ideas like microsoft or facebook help) i am in no way suggesting that dropping out is the way to go. </p></li>
<li><p>yes, i am a high school student. and yes, i do dream of columbia (ha ha, you win…). my point was that i dont see my interpretation of something as the be all end all. and no offense, although you do seem intelligent, something hints to me that pwoods has a bit more experience in the field of analyzing pieces of literature.
dont associate my claim that collegeftw was jumping on the columbia bandwagon with jealousy; it wasnt a defense stirred by jealousy, rather it was merely a conclusion i drew (based on bias, as i said).</p></li>
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<p>let me just add- “will not prevail EVER” (it does occasionally)</p>
<p>wow that was really brutal light airen.
i dont even dislike you honestly but that was messed up…</p>
<p>With all our differences aside, gshak, I actually respect you. If I knew you in real life we probably be friends…lol anyways, if you don’t mind…also this is not point to point with your thing, I consolidatd some arguments, so bare with me :D</p>
<p>1) okay let me get this straight - are you saying socialness, hotness, and other intrinsic qualities are MORE important than degrees, or simply important (which means not as important as degrees)…? Cuz I already agreed with you on the latter, but no way they’re more important. You stated 3 jobs (doctors, lawyers, politicans) in which inherent qualities are very important…but then you said doctors need degrees no matter what so that leaves two. Okay I’m not going to say too much on this, but simply, who will go to a lawyer without a degree (much as he/she be hot, social, intelligent, etc.), and which politician without a degree will ever win an election in the mondern era? Even if you have the best social skills in the world, not getting that degree is like a brick door keeping you out…agree/disagree? -.-</p>
<p>2) okay thanks for the caps on “not DROPPING OUT.” but seriously…isn’t dropping out the SAME THING as not getting a degree? enlighten me if i’m wrong?</p>
<p>3) How does going to college not make a person a better businessman? What is the “traditional sense” of the word? If going to college doesn’t make a person a better busienssman, why do busienss people go to college? Shouldn’t majority of the folks just skip out and start getting rich right after high school then? Furthermore, why do people fight to get in the top bussiness schools (grad + undergrad) like Wharton, Columbia, Harvard?</p>
<p>4) “will not prevail EVER” (it will occasionally) - gshak</p>
<p>scratch my head…?</p>
<p>lmao cool. i always admired you too, although i did view you as a bit radical :p. btw, does your name mean college for the wealthy? cause when i read it i ALWAYS say that in my head haha.</p>
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<li><p>theyre not MORE important. but i would go further than you and say that they are equally as important (not less important). true, degrees are essential to succeed in the political world, the medical world, and the legal world. however, unsocial/ugly/etc. politicians, doctors, and lawyers will, (im gonna be more conservative here) in all likelihood, have a tougher time succeeding than their social/good looking/etc. counterparts. i think we can agree on that, right? at least i hope so haha.</p></li>
<li><p>no it is the same thing, i just have a hard time with emphasizing on the internet lmao. i may have been a bit confusing with my wording (too lazy to go back and read it).</p></li>
<li><p>in my opinion and from what i have learned from relatives, teachers, etc. a businessman is a person who has a business mind and knows how to make money through businesses, buying and selling, and other things of the sort.
businessmen dont fight for top business schools- high school students do.
business is probably the only field i can think of that doesnt require any schooling to succeed in. apprenticeship, experience in the field, and other things (intrinsic haha) will make a successful businessman. of course, if youre referring to stock traders and financial advisors and mortgage people etc. then obviously college is necessary.
but to be a person who makes money through business- that shouldnt require any schooling, right?</p></li>
<li><p>i meant a degree without sociability will occasionally prevail.</p></li>
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<p>to be completely honest, i never used to defend dropouts.
but after my older brother dropped out in his second year of college i gained perspective on the issue.</p>
<p>one- school isnt for everyone.
two- one can succeed without school (my brother is thank G doing very well- probably better than i will ever do as <em>hopeful</em> doctor)
three- he can do things that a person that has gone through 10 years of schooling would never be able to do.</p>
<p>there are other things, but i just wanted to set a background.</p>