<p>"that HYP (there is a reason this acronym exists)"</p>
<p>uhh...what acronym? And where does it exist, except on this board? Please google it and point out the definition of the acronym.</p>
<p>nice Fountainsiren...</p>
<p>HAH Columbia is not a lower ivy - last year it was more selective than Yale. That school's insane.</p>
<p>"Brown better hope global warming is a myth because when the glaciers melt, Brown will the first one to become part of the ocean. Thus, by this new objective criterion, Brown would be the lowest ivy followed closely by Columbia =)"</p>
<p>This may be true, however im afraid im going to have to rebut this. In the case of our sun going supernova Brown will remain intact the longest because it will take the matter from our exploding sun longer to reach Brown than other ivies. Clearly Brown is superior in this sense. i guess its a matter of personal preference</p>
<p>I hate to distinguish between the Ivies because they are all good. However, the "Big 3" Ivies are Harvard, Princeton, and Yale. They each have acceptance rates that are around 10% more or less, and on US News and World Report, they are the top 3. The other ivies have higher acceptance rates, with the exception of Columbia which is about 10%-11% more or less. Edward B. Fiske, author of "The Fiske Guide to Colleges," thinks that Yale should watch out because he believes that Columbia may be on its way to being the third most selective college in the Ivy League.</p>
<p>Looks like it's not just College Confidential.</p>
<p>For the record, I'm not saying that the perception has merit. I attend Cornell University and I absolutely hate it when people refer to Cornell as being at the bottom of the Ivy League since it has the highest acceptance rate (does academic excellence and rigor not count for anything anymore?)</p>
<p>However, it still doesn't dismiss the fact that around the country and esp. internationally, HYP carries more prestige than other Ivy League schools. I'm personally from California and at my HS, it was basically HYP on one level, Columbia/Cornell on the next, and Brown/Dartmouth in terms of recognition.</p>
<p>(oh god, not more of this tired and trite whos more famous in my county squabble $#@+<strong>^$#@^$%</strong>^%^&*)</p>
<p>Back to the original and far more relevant question of which are the Lower Ivies:</p>
<p>don't discount the likelihood that aliens may very well be repulsed by New Haven at "First Contact" (as are so many) and use it as an example to the rest of the Ivy league by eradicating the acid-washed Oxford wannabe walls of that venerable and cherished Connecticut institution.
That being said, I'd prefer to be at the Ivy the furthest away from Yale (say Dartmouth or Cornell) and by virtue of this alone Yale must be considered the "lowest Ivy --in addition to the most dangerous-- and seeing as Brown is just a run-of-the-mill-dime-store-ray-gun shot away its place in the pecking order would only be improved by one alien-gradient over Yale. Certainly, any aliens with the wisdom and technology to reach earth will know what we all already know about New Haven; for gods sake, Aliens have huge brains in those green veined and bulbous heads, theyll take out Yale soon-as-look-at-it.</p>
<p>Norcaldude, </p>
<p>I went ahead and checked your link (much against my better judgment) and it seems none of them are about the prestige of any of the Ivy league schools. They are all about athletic events over the past few years involving Harvard Princeton and yale.
Here are the headers of your google search in order.</p>
<p>The first one is a social club:
Upcoming Harvard Yale Princeton (HYP) Club Events. Date, Title. ...</p>
<p>The next one is about an athletic event:
Yale looks to gain ground against Harvard and Princeton on Saturday. Yale Trails
After Day One of HYP Harvard leads through 9 events Jan. 28, 2005. ...</p>
<p>The next one is also athletics:
Harvard-Yale-Princeton Triangular Collegiate Tournament December 9, 2000 Cambridge,
MA. ... Collegiate Cup. Rank, Team, Points. 1, Harvard, 17. 2, Yale, 15.5. 3, Princeton</p>
<p>The next one is a swim meet:
Harvard-Yale-Princeton Invitational. Harvard Men's Varsity Swimming and Diving.</p>
<p>And on and on
So anyhow, what are you trying to pull on us innocent ccers?</p>
<p>Check out this link for HWMJH, Harvard and William and Mary and Johns Hopkins, its loaded too:
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Harvard+William+and+Mary+and+Johns+Hopkins&btnG=Search%5B/url%5D">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Harvard+William+and+Mary+and+Johns+Hopkins&btnG=Search</a></p>
<p>You can do this with any three schools and get the whole family involved!</p>
<p>"HAH Columbia is not a lower ivy - last year it was more selective than Yale. That school's insane."</p>
<p>Well, Yale has higher average SATs, and is still quite a bit harder to get in than Columbia. You have to remember how many people apply to Columbia because its NYCOMG.</p>
<p>Fountain: My google search was in response golubb_u who asked me to google "HYP" to see if the acronym was well known outside of College Confidential. As for your search, I put in "HWMJH" and got three sites of gibberish.</p>
<p>I googled "HYP" and I got "sexy HYP [hot young professional] singles" amongst other non harvard-yale-princeton sites. Unless all the 'hot young professionals are from harvard, yale and princeton I don't see in which way hyp is apropos.</p>
<p>Norcalguy...I'm not arguing with your use of the HYP moniker (it's retarded but too many people on this site use it). However, when you say stuff like, "The other Ivies have high acceptance rates" that's when my BS alarm goes off. Even if you meant high compared to HYP...a difference of 6% in acceptance is not "high." The point is that the differences between these schools are really a lot less than people claim. The only area that someone can make a claim that HYP is legitimately stronger than the other Ivies is in prestige in other countries and in certain parts of this country, and neither of those should matter to potential applicants. And keep in mind that the reason that people in other countries have heard of HYP is because of graduate-level work, not undergrad, so it really is an inane comparison. I mean, a school like Dartmouth (speaking from first-hand experience here) focuses more on undergrad than grad schools, so what do you expect? And anyway, from being around campus I can tell you that Dartmouth accepts internationals at a lower rate than American/Canadian students but there are a significant number of them, so someone outside of America has heard of it, right? And regardless, when it comes to educators, grad schools, and employers, they all consider the 8 schools on pretty much the same level (if you don't believe me, look at things like Brody and the WSJ grad school placement rankings). So how can you honestly say that HYP is significantly better than the other 5 schools or that they are the "premier"?</p>
<p>I actually agree with you. The OP asked a superficial question ("lower" and "Ivy League" may be an oxymoron) so I gave a superficial answer. My answer was in terms of prestige only.</p>
<p>As I said, I attend Cornell so you don't have to lecture me about how stupid it is to judge a school based on perception and prestige.</p>
<p>Just as a response to ohnoes,</p>
<p>Columbia actually gets just about the same amount of applications as Yale does. </p>
<p>Columbia is in the high 19,000 area (like 19,600 something) and Yale is in the low 20,000 range. Both had the exact same admission rate of 11% last year, making them the 3rd and 4th most difficult schools in the country to get into besides military academies and music schools. </p>
<p>While Columbia gets the "It's in NYC" Yale gets the "It's Yale" applicants. It works to be just about the same in both directions. </p>
<p>Yes, Yale has a higher general SAT I score than Columbia, but that doesn't actually mean the student population there is actually smarter. It just means they are better at standardized tests.</p>
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don't discount the likelihood that aliens may very well be repulsed by New Haven at "First Contact" (as are so many) and use it as an example to the rest of the Ivy league by eradicating the acid-washed Oxford wannabe walls of that venerable and cherished Connecticut institution
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<p>I think this is LEAST likely to happen there! The denizens of New Haven seem to all be armed well enough to fight off any such attack.</p>
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I actually agree with you. The OP asked a superficial question ("lower" and "Ivy League" may be an oxymoron) so I gave a superficial answer. My answer was in terms of prestige only.</p>
<p>As I said, I attend Cornell so you don't have to lecture me about how stupid it is to judge a school based on perception and prestige.
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<p>Fair enough. You had some good things to say in other threads, that's why I was a bit surprised to read what you wrote here.</p>
<p>"Columbia actually gets just about the same amount of applications as Yale does.
Columbia is in the high 19,000 area (like 19,600 something) and Yale is in the low 20,000 range. "</p>
<p>actually Columbia only recieved 18,236 applications this year. as compared to Yale's 19,430. columbia gets more applications than some other ivies, such as Dartmouth (12,615), Brown (16,835), and Princeton (16,077), but less than Harvard (22,717), Cornell (24,114), and Penn (18,749).</p>
<p>All of the ivies are very good and saying a school is a "lower" ivy is kind of a pointless title.</p>
<p>However, from what I've seen Cornell certainly is the lowest ivy. It's the easiest to get into. Just as an example, my high school has averaged about 10 seniors to Cornell each of the past five years out of a class of only 225! (Granted, it is a very competitive school). It is definitely good academically but it has a reputation that a lot of its students are jerks willing to do whatever it takes to do better than their peers. </p>
<p>Other than that, all of the schools are good and the decision to go to one or another just depends on what type of school you are looking for.</p>
<p>lbyg47 and Emily,</p>
<p>this was hilarious, I wish I could have got in on it when it was happening!!! lol</p>
<p>you guys are wrong to even think about which Ivy is better than another. it's a freakin' Ivy League school man!!</p>