<p>Know what ya mean about hanging out with just dudes for a couple years. Like seriously, either you have madd fun at college somewhere awesome, or you have a big sausagefest in the middle of nowhere and milk goats. Hmm.</p>
<p>Indeed, it is in both states... in as much as it has addresses in both. </p>
<p>Deep Springs is not like Brokeback Mountain. It is not co-ed because the founder, a crazy eccentric rich man named LL Nunn felt like women would distract the men from their studies. His goal in Deep Springs was to train men to be educated yet have the survival skills required for, say, building electrical grids in the western United States, which was Nunn's business. </p>
<p>(Interestingly, Nunn was notably abstinent throughout his life. Not that he was a closet homosexual or anything.....) </p>
<p>Deep Springs has produced numerous (i.e., at least one or two) Rodes, Truman, MacArthur, etc. scholars. While it is small, the smallness allows for intimacy (that word was chosen for it's numerous meanings) between visiting staff (students hire staff themselves for short term appointments of less than five years) and the students. Deep Springs has/currently has a fairly renowned, high quality faculty. </p>
<p>Deep Springs also prides itself in that students run the school, almost every aspect. Many people go there because they like the idea of learning first hand how to manage something.</p>
<p>No one has yet mentioned the cost of tuition or room and board at Deep Springs. They're both free, although students are expected to do ranch work.</p>
<p>So Deep Springs students get two years of intense undergraduate study, with extremely small classes and personal attention from professors. After that, they become the most highly coveted transfer applicants in the country. </p>
<p>And their only financial outlays are for travel and textbooks. Not a bad deal, really.</p>
<p>Im sure a transfer student from a 4 year school nationally ranked at least in the top 100 has a better chance of transferring into the Ivies than Deep Spring tranfers. thing is most of the students in nationally ranked 4 year schools dont transfer.</p>
<p>not only that, but you might have to take more than 2 years worth of classes to actually graduate from a 4 year school</p>
<p>check out the pics in the annual report:</p>
<p>RVOTN?</p>
<p>What part of most go on to Harvard and Chicago(with the rest going to other ivies) makes you think a transfer student from a top 100 school has a better chance?</p>
<p>What part of 5 times in 3 years Truman scholarships being awarded makes you think these kids are lacking anything?</p>
<p>What makes you think these kids need to play catch up? They are day and night involved in an intense academic environment. After 2 years these kids are viewed as perfect academic specimens. The very definition of well balanced.</p>
<p>According to Deep</a> Springs:
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Deep Springers are generally successful in the transfer applications process. In the past 10 years, 16% of students transfered to Harvard, 13% to the University of Chicago, 7% to Yale and 7% to Brown. Other schools frequently attended after Deep Springs include Columbia, Oxford, Berkeley, Cornell and Stanford.
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I doubt that many 4-year schools have comparable transfer success rates. In fact, transfer applicants from 4-year schools often face a certain stigma. Many students who file transfer applications do so because they are dissatisfied or unsuccessful at their original school. School B may be reluctant to accept a loser who didn't work out at School A. </p>
<p>But there is no such stigma attached to Deep Springs alumni. Deep Springs students are known to be highly qualified (look at their SAT scores), and are known to get great undergraduate instruction. And they don't transfer because they were unsuccessful at their original school. On the contrary, they transfer because they've succeeded, and completed the 2-year program, at their original school.</p>
<p>Corbett posted before I had a chance to respond, but a repeat:</p>
<p>You guys can say whatever you want to, but obviously this kind of experience is appealing to enough males around the country.</p>
<p>And if you think that it's hard to transfer into another school afterwards, take a look at the SAT midranges for accepted students. This school is not for academic lightweights, and though it might not be familiar to many of you, it's quite familiar to admissions officers at top schools.</p>
<p>I also think that it's rather immature to assume that an all-male environment is naturally a gay one. Most of the schools you guys revere-- Yale, Harvard, Amherst, Columbia, etc. were single-sex for a long time. All-male schools aren't as popular today (the only ones I can think of are Wabash, Hampden-Sydney, and Morehouse) but all-female schools are still quite popular. Even though I would be unhappy in a single-sex environment, I'm not going to deny that women together create a sort of sisterhood.</p>
<p>The other thing about Deep Springs that I don't think has been emphasized enough in this thread is that the students literally run the school. The students work the ranch, enforce policy, decide who is admitted, and even determine which faculty are hired.</p>
<p>Just pointing out that the average SAT of Deep Springs is comparable to any top 20 school - just take out the URMs (looks like there is 1 out of 30) and recruited athletes. Academically its not really any stronger than most schools in terms of student strength.</p>
<p>Also, ramses, being with 29 people on a ranch doesn't automatically make you well-rounded. </p>
<p>And they probably need to put in at least an extra couple of semesters to graduate from college (ie be in college 4.5 - 5 years instead of 4). I can't see how any of them could be an Econ, Bio, Chem...almost any mainstream major. I'm saying its an interesting experience, just not that good an option in terms of academic career (and social life). But like its been said, it doesn't appeal to everyone.</p>
<p>"You guys can say whatever you want to, but obviously this kind of experience is appealing to enough males around the country".</p>
<p>Only 100 males even consider to applying to this school. </p>
<p>Transferring froma 4 year school is not a stigma. As long as the school is nationally ranked and u succeed in it, you have an excellent chance of transferring to an iVy league. Im sure if a Deep Srpings Grad does average, he wont transfer into Harvard. same goes with a 4 year school. If you do well and want to transfer to an ivy league u can and should have just as good a chance or better than a Deep Springs grad. </p>
<p>4 year nationally ranked schools (say in the top 50) will recieve a lot of respect and consideration (academically speaking) when a succesffull grad is looking to enter grad school or just transfer after a year or two. Its definately not a stigma. Now if u have bad grades, it will def hurt u.</p>
<p>You can recieve a way better education (in terms of quality) at a nationally ranked 4 year school. Lets not debate this. If you look at the operating budget of Deep Springs, its probably not even the cleaning bill at a large private/public 4 year school.
4 year schools, especially the larger ones provide wayyy more resources to its students. You can see that through the Libraries, facilities, research projects, study abroads.
Vital elements such as these are more than lacking at Spring Creek. </p>
<p>What benefit will u get at Deep Springs:</p>
<ul>
<li><p>Personalized Education: true but little resources available to the students to improve the quality of education.</p></li>
<li><p>Free education. Wether there are few resources and little quality in ur education, it is free. you are getting two years of ur education for free.</p></li>
<li><p>Close knit environment: true.. close knit environments are nice.. Its not nice to feel like a number.... However out in the middle of nowhere, were you wont find many females your age may be painful to a guy. I would definately find it uncomfortable.</p></li>
<li><p>Opportunity of later transferring onto an Ivy League: the same opportunity is available at a nationally ranked 4 year school. You just have to get good grades. Just going to Deep Springs means nothing. You have to work hard. Same at a 4 year school. And dont tell me colleges are gonna respect a 3.8 at a top 5 nationally ranked school than a 3.8 from Deep Springs cause somehow its hard to believe. Fact is many students at top 50 schools no matter how happy or succesffull dont wanna transfer cuz it really does suck transferring.</p></li>
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<p>Hahahah you just called Deep Springs "Spring Creek". Is that a another college?</p>
<p>Srry I noticed i tried to edit but I guessed I missed out on a few.</p>
<p>Still I was talking about Depp Springs.</p>
<p>Btw i also facebooked some of the students and not all went to Ivy Leagues..
I grabbed a random photo of 7 '06 graduates from Deep Springs. only 1 went to an Ivy leeague or top 20 school. I was able to Find them all and what school they went to.
Others went to some schols ive heard of (Chapman) while others went to schools ive never heard of (Williams in Massachusetts). </p>
<p>I really dont understand the benefit of going there...
- Little resources (Libraries, labs etc...)
- Little to do
- The fact of everyone attending ivy's is starting to seem more like a myth after what I saw
..........</p>
<p>I guess you get jacked from living on a ranch.</p>
<p>"while others went to schools ive never heard of (Williams in Massachusetts)."</p>
<p>Thereby rendering absolutely everything you say from here on out completely inconsequential.</p>
<p>Well rounded comes from being responsible for running a college, a ranch, the budget for both and doing all the things necessary to keep them afloat and working well. They aren't playing, they aren't helping...it's totally in their hands. If something breaks or a solution is needed it's up to them. It can be extremely dangerous and sometimes rather brutal. Along with ranching and their studies they must learn engineering and medical skills.</p>
<p>That's a lot of leadership, and management lessons that even a Wharton kid can't brag about.</p>
<p>They hire brilliant profs who are with them daily, totally willing to engage in academics long into the night. Education is something that happens 24/7.</p>
<p>Think of this 2 years as something like core requirements. I don't understand why you think they would need to 'catch up'. Obviously the most academically rigorious universities in the world don't feel that Deep Springs is lacking...why ever would they snap these kids up if they weren't more than prepared?(as for looking them up in facebook... all you needed was to follow the link someone provided. The school mentions those kids were heading off to Oxford, Harvard and other very prestigious places. And Williams happens to be very prestigious.)</p>
<p>unregistered - Not knowing that Williams is a top LAC is NOT a big deal. Outside of CC you'd be surprised by how people don't know about the strong academics of schools with 600 people from rural Massachusetts. I wanted to go there for a while, no one in my area had ever heard of it (hence me not wanting to go there after a while). Acarta checked the name of 30 students and hadn't heard about many of the schools.</p>
<p>Ramses, I don't understand whats not to understand about having to "catch up" with your degree requirements if you go to Deep Springs instead of a 4 year college for two years.</p>
<p>When you get a degree, you need to take classes for it. Kids at Deep Springs don't take classes you need for a degree. Hence taking them more time to complete the degree. They could be smart, but that doesn't mean you don't have to take classes to graduate with a BA. Two years of core classes are great, but not when they don't transfer and give you credit for a degree.</p>
<p>I can see this being a problem with anyone who wants to major in bio, econ, chem, math...anything besides political science, english and "soft" majors.</p>
<p>Also, while it may be more physically taxing, I don't see how running a ranch while taking classes is a superior experience for someone entering the real world when compared to a student at a top private juggling activities, a part time job, and a social life.</p>
<p>why are people attacking this institution? we shouldn't have to argue against or in favor of a school. It's all subjective opinion anyways.</p>
<p>Not attacking, just questioning.</p>