<p>ilovefhf: Sorry I didn’t see your post earlier. Disclaimer: I’m not an international student, so my assessment might not be accurate. </p>
<p>That 2170 on your SAT is definitely not high enough, taking into consideration that you are an international student. Getting into berkeley without the status of a california resident is about as hard as getting into a middle/upper ivy. You need a 2300 + on your SAT, even for L&S. </p>
<p>If you are an international student, you probably shouldn’t slack off on your EC; you need something to make you stand out, and you only have two options to do that: ECs and your UC essays. So that comment you made about recommendations, rule that out. Letters of rec wouldn’t be an option (UCs don’t accept teachers’ and counselor’s recommendations, unless the rules are different for international students). </p>
<p>Anyways, take the SAT Is again, get in the 750+ range for your SATIIs, and keep up your rank. Good luck next year! :)</p>
<p>Oh yeah, thanks for calling me out on this KitKatz – I have to emphasize, my roommate is a very intelligent guy in my books. We’ve known each other since elementary school, and he was always an intelligent one. Of course, he isn’t intelligent <em>because</em> of the numbers, but just saying – you definitely don’t have to have perfect stats, just pretty high ones. </p>
<p>I’m sorry, don’t have any official stats of people with lower ones than my roommates and I-- only know one other guy’s, and he basically had perfect SAT II’s, 2390 SAT I, valedictorian, 5’s on 15+ AP’s, etc…</p>
<p>But I assure you, not everyone getting into Berkeley has perfect stats. I do know a few EECS majors who had B’s in high school! I even know an EECS major who got a B in high school physics, though their physics course is extremely hard to do well in, and people with C’s get 5’s on the AP exam.</p>
<p>My point is really that if you have high academic stats, and at that very high, you can entirely avoid subjective admissions factors that you couldn’t avoid at a private school, which might be a nice thing to make you aware of!!</p>
<p>Best of luck Blackroses, let me know always if I can do anything, and hope you choose Cal eventually!</p>
<p>SAT II Scores
Math I: 730
taking Math II and Chem in october</p>
<p>Which college are you applying to? (Letters and Science, Engineering, Chemistry, etc.)
engineering</p>
<p>List a few of your most important ECs (a laundry list of 20+ items is not needed)
leadership abilities: Mu Alpha Theta president as junior, vice-president of class 9-11, Investment Club president 10th grade
drama club: member of thespian society, lead in fall play (9th and 11th grade)
sports: varsity tennis and cheerleading
co-founded a local charity: Friendly Flowers</p>
<p>Any other significant accomplishments in a specific field:
engineering: won division contest for west point bridge design contest</p>
<p>Your ECs look great! I would suggest to take your SAT Is again and kick some butts on your SAT IIs (fyi, in case you don’t know, UCs don’t take Math IC scores)! Because you are an oos applicant and you are applying as an aspiring engineer, you would need those high numbers. Your UW GPA looks wonderful as well. Keep on taking as many AP classes as you possibly can and do well in them. Impress them with your essays, do well in your AP classes, keep up your grade, and bring up your SAT Is and IIs and you are good to go! Good work and good luck next year! :)</p>
<p>Thank you I am looking forward to that as well. But don’t say I didn’t warn you :p</p>
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<p>Honestly, I don’t want to make it sound like scores determines your admission; it doesn’t. But in order to be competitive, you kind of NEED those fantabulous SAT scores. :)</p>
<p>So IMO, 2190 is not enough…maybe it would be enough for an instate, but definitely not oos, especially an oos student who plans on applying to the engineering school.</p>
<p>Gosh…why do these little chance me posts get left unanswered??? These poor lil juniors are all left in the cold! berkeley ppls need to get better at this…no offense!</p>
<p>@ Gekmax:
Your GPA could hurt you. How much? I’m not sure. I’ll let someone with more expertise deal with that. </p>
<p>lol, it’s okay to be a nerd. Nerdy people can be really interesting individuals as long as you are not a geek, it’s all good…kidding… Anyways…back on topic (sorry, I get distracted a lot). Your ECs seem fine, IMO well rounded. Again, fyi UCs don’t accept teacher recommendations. Your SAT I & II are fabulous. Keep it as they are; they are gold :p</p>
<p>Your only concern at this point is your GPA. psssttt…<em>don’t be lazy anymore!!!</em> You better explain to the adcoms about your low GPA and I trust that you know better than to say you were lazy the good thing for you is that UCs don’t factor in your freshman GPA so your GPA could potentially be higher? I don’t know. Honestly, try to get all As. I know sometimes it’s tedious doing all those mindless work (trust me, I have had my fair share of those–being in IB and all that :p) but sometimes, you just need to deal with it and keep your long term goal in mind. It will pay off, trust me on this :)</p>
<p>I definitely think you need quite solid scores for someone applying from out of state. Try to aim to be like my roommates if you really want a good shot. Ideally a 2300+ SAT, straight A’s, very rigorous courseload, interest in engineering, etc. Out of staters don’t have it easy!</p>
<p>Remember, if there are in-staters with very competitive academic stats (like my roommates), it’s going to be tough to convince anyone to take you. </p>
<p>If you have really excellent academic stats, usually Berkeley is not at all a crapshoot, whereas other schools can still be. But keep in mind that conversely, if your academic stats aren’t super hot, as an OOS student, you’re looking at likely rejection.</p>
<p>And one of the reason they get left unanswered is that frequent Berkeley posters like Mathboy are discussing other things – I honestly can say only one thing about “chances” – get your numbers as high as you can for public schools, and beyond that, good luck. </p>
<p>Even if you don’t like your classes. Don’t take classes and get bad grades. A relatively higher final weighted UC GPA with somewhat easier classes is better than a lower one with very hard classes. Ideally, get a high GPA with hard classes.</p>
<p>“honestly can say only one thing about “chances” – get your numbers as high as you can for public schools, and beyond that, good luck.”</p>
<p>Uhuh! I agree with that. But unfortunately, most of the posters think that they all have very individual situations and therefore, very different chances from everyone else. You can only calm their nerves when you address them individually. I remember I was this way half a year ago! However, that uncertainty was directed more for the utterly unpredictable privates that I was applying to and less for Berkeley. Not to sound absolutely conceited, but I was pretty certain I would get in with my stats. So yes, you are right; Berkeley is pretty predictable on average. </p>
<p>I guess those poor, nervous and scared future applicants just need a little care from us (current Berkeley students or alumni or prefrosh)–a personalized pat on the head or a personalized gentle nudge in the right direction :)</p>
<p>The funny thing is, as my CC records indicate, I made my account well after I was into my second year of college. Never had a chance thread or anything of the sort in my life actually! So I never really knew much what to say on them to be honest, having read very few myself + had little experience overall.</p>
<p>Yup, definitely something you have to experience first hand to understand Most kids on CC, if they do get the account before they apply for college, cannot escape that irresistable lure of a chance thread. Some just to make themselves feel more certain. I must confess that I had my insecurities too and had fallen to prey to those kinds of threads. However, I never wanted to hear any assessment from high school kids (yes, I’m very picky), only from current students/alumni. A little personal comment from knowledgeable sources can really put one’s mind at ease or help one get on the right track sometimes. I guess it’s all a psychological thing :)</p>
<p>Look, mathboy–here we go again, turning another thread into our chat thread That always seem to happen, doesn’t it?</p>
<p>GPA UW- about 3.7 I think
GPA W- 4.3
Higher after this semester is over.</p>
<p>ACT- 31 Going for 32 in two weeks.</p>
<p>10 APs, plus maybe 7 next year.
Honors Band, State Band stuffs…
Lots of volunteering, band- play at the university and school, school clubs- NHS, German, Science Olympiad…</p>
<p>HOWEVER, I moved in the middle of my junior year and it’s affected my extra curricular for this year. Hopefully next year I’ll be able to volunteer again. </p>
<p>And I’m dual enrolling for half the day at a university next year if that helps. And I got to this apparently pretty well known Math and Science center…
And I’m out of state.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, Senior year…
At the college: Philosophy, English, European History (will take Lit. and Euro APs)
At the math place: AP Calculus BC, Organic and Biochem, AP Physics C </p>
<p>Repeating my message – if you would like to be “chanced,” ** please post both your status – IN-STATE/OOS – and your PROSPECTIVE MAJOR <strong><em>VERY VERY CLEARLY</em></strong>** for increased likelihood of not being ignored. I don’t “chance” people often, but others may, and these two data points are crucial. Seriously, else, all the “chances” you get will be meaningless.</p>
I am looking forward to that as well. But don’t say I didn’t warn you :p</p>
berkeley ppls need to get better at this…no offense!</p>
the good thing for you is that UCs don’t factor in your freshman GPA so your GPA could potentially be higher? I don’t know. Honestly, try to get all As. I know sometimes it’s tedious doing all those mindless work (trust me, I have had my fair share of those–being in IB and all that :p) but sometimes, you just need to deal with it and keep your long term goal in mind. It will pay off, trust me on this :)</p>
That always seem to happen, doesn’t it?</p>