<p>What do u guys think about the Asian stereotype? I mean, a lucid evidence is the 2400 gal. I dont really nuy it, but i have seen incidents, where asian kids grade grub their heads off. Is it really the case or not?</p>
<p>well u must understand for many Asians, especially immigrants, they have a hard work ethic and attitude, and their parents expect them to uphold that to perfection. I say this not as a stereotype, but because I'm Indian and an immigrant too. While my parents never forced me to get all A's, it was kind of expected. I'm in no way of the 2400 SAT genius range (got a 1940 that I'm proud of), I still feel bad for the Asian girl. She is very smart and the college should not expect her to "prove" her worth even though she is prolly better qualified than many of the applicants who just happened to not be Asian.</p>
<p>Well I like to think of it as Asians are basically compared to other Asians really. Unfortunately, the truth is, that many Asians are very strong applicants, so it is tough competition. Not to mention, most of Asians, who are strong applicants, usually apply to the same tier schools no?</p>
<p>"While she may be admitted to MIT early, I am not convinced shes a shoo-inId want to see more evidence that shes giving back to the community."</p>
<p>What has Kathrine Cohen given back to the society?
She helped to give us Kaavya Viswanathan, Harvard '08, a super applicant helped by Ivywise, and a plagiarist. </p>
<p>The college admissions will be better without "expert consultants" like Katherine Cohen. It is a surprise that the New York magazine would ask for her opinion.</p>
<p>The New York magazine has a history of writing sensationalist articles, and using questionable sources, so I'm not that suprised. The most recent blatant one I can remember on the top of my head is the Stuyvesant Heteroflexible article (I am biased to this by going to the school, I know, but it was heavily sensationalist, and the reporter lied to her sources)</p>
<p>I'm going to put on my cynical hat here. </p>
<p>When I read the story, I looked at the kids' profiles and for many of them, I thought their lists were reach-heavy. So, when unsuspecting parents (i.e., those parents not on CC) of juniors and seniors read the article, what do they think? "My kid has a 2000, some interesting ECs and wants to attend HYP. See, that counselor didn't say it was impossible. Maybe if we hire an admissions consultant, my kid can go to Harvard, too!" </p>
<p>It's marketing for the admissions consultants!! </p>
<p>I wish those kids the best of luck and hope they get into schools that will help them fulfill their dreams. But to my jaundiced eye, the article looks like shameless self-promotion for the consultants. And Ivywise did the industry (or the kids they purport to serve) no favors last year.</p>
<p>I agree with countingdown. I wasn't particularly impressed with any of the students. I've seen many stronger candidates on this forum.</p>
<p>I think the candidates were strong.</p>
<p>They didn't all have perfect 2400s, but to me, a lot of the people they selected seem to have personality. As someone on here posted, it seems like these are the type of kids that would get in.</p>
<p>i agree with b4nnd20</p>
<p>if your math SAT is <750, caltech and MIT are up in the clouds</p>
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For the average american, the article might intimidate, but most of the high achieving students here on CC would laugh at those applicants.
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Keep laughing Buzz. Arrogance won't get you too far in life.</p>
<p>I agree with Sticker to not be arrogant, but it is true that many forum posters, under the pretense that what they have said about themselves is true, have much better resumes than the ones features in the article.</p>
<p>Take a look at some of the threads for elite schools on this website...there are so many qualified people on these forums. Unfortunately, most of them are average Joes in the sense that they are not minorities and they don't go to super elite NYC/private Ivy feeder schools, unlike the people in the article. Pure merit, better than the people featured in that article. Looking at some of the profiles on this site gives me jitters, but that article actually made me feel good about myself. I'm not "arrogant." I just can tell who my betters are.</p>
<p>amen! amen!</p>
<p>I somewhat agree with b4nnd20. The students featured in this article do give me more confidence. I hardly see how a person with an SAT score below 2000is considered a "super-applicant." I got a 2030 and I'd hardly call myself super. I also agree that this article only focused on magnet schools students.
There are plenty of other applicants that are probably stonger than the ones mentioned in this article, but were looked over because they don't go to a well-known school. </p>
<p>I disagree with what b4nnd20 said about people on CC. They are hardly what you'd call average-joes. Many of them go to elite high schools and many are minorities. I don't think a CC'er with a 2300 SAT is an average-joe just because he/she attends an unknown high school or isn't a URM.</p>
<p>One final point. I think this article proves a point that I have always believed to be true: not everyone applying to the Ivies or other top colleges have 2200+ SAT scores. There are people with lower scores who are appying to HYPS. Some of these people have outstanding EC's or very high GPA's and could possibly be accepted over someone w/a really high SAT score whose EC's are non-existent. SAT's aren't everyting.</p>
<p>I find it curious that so many posters here consider the students profiled in the OP article less than average candidates for highly selective colleges.</p>
<p>The first thing to remember is the Kathleen Cohen has many years of experience with many hundreds of students applying to these colleges. For CC posters to question her evaluation is just silly.</p>
<p>The second thing to remember is that DB's and BB's are chocked full of deceptive postings and outright fabrications. We have no way to determine in any particular poster is telling the truth, the partial truth or fabricating a totally fictitious yarn.</p>
<p>I have some evidence that one popular poster here has exaggerated at least two elements of her/his students hs accomplishments. The funny thing is that his/her student seems to be very good academically. But if only one lie is posted, why should we believe that any other posting is true.</p>
<p>All I know for a fact is that students from our HS have been admitted to highly selective colleges with hs accomplishments similar to those profiled in the article. And yes, these same students were also rejected by some other highly selective colleges too. And I know of none who participated in any university level research or win any national award during hs.</p>
<p>Well said, originaloog.</p>
<p>I have to agree with you originaloog. I also know someone who has lied about his/her stats on this site. There really is no way of knowing if peope are telling the truth. However, I still feel that some of the students in the article don't deserve the title of "super-applicant" based on some of their stats. I know stats aren't everyting, but I'm sure that there are people with stronger SATs and GPAs than the people in the article who also probably have better EC's. No offense to anyone, but I don't think that colleges will be rolling out the red carpet for ping-pong club. </p>
<p>I also maintain my opinion that students were chosen from these high schools because they are well-known magnet schools. I know for a fact because I was rejected from 2 of the schools mentioned in this article (and I have higher SATs than the featured student at one of them). I know stronger applicants at others schools than the ones in the articles, but they attend schools that are either unknown or are in an overlooked area of NYC (ie: Staten Island).</p>
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I have some evidence that one popular poster here has exaggerated at least two elements of her/his students hs accomplishments.
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I certainly don't know if I'm "popular" (infamous , maybe) but Good God, I sure hope it's not me!:eek: Now that'll keep me wondering all day who it might be . Jeez. Thanks a lot, O'loog. LOL. (I'm betting it's that sneaky TheDad. He's probably from Cordele, Georgia and has a boy on a football scholarship at Tennessee majoring in Criminal Justice.)</p>
<p>Curmudgeon, if you are not sure it isn't you, then it is you. :)</p>
<p>Well, I know kids in real life who are more impressive than people in the article. How's that?</p>
<p>Originaloog might be right...perhaps the kids in the article really are super-applicants. In which case...I feel a whole lot better about my own chances!</p>