<p>Since when did CSU Pomona become better than SDSU??</p>
<p>eh, they're prety much equal</p>
<p>Mr. B:</p>
<p>as a local taxpayer I do not concur with opening up 33% slots to OOS students. </p>
<p>If you mean top public college outside of Calif, I'd suggest THE top college to be Mich (or UVa or UNC, with Wisc, Tx, and others following).</p>
<p>Blue why shouldn't California include more education dollars into our economy? It is a realatively clean industry and with some luck we could attract the best graduates to stay and continue to contribute to our Ca economy. Selling education to the rest of the nation seems like a natural way to go.</p>
<p>"Since when did CSU Pomona become better than SDSU??"</p>
<p>i dunno which post you were referring to, and i dont know if cal poly pomona is better or not than SDSU, but i'd just like to comment...</p>
<p>people who have no clue about the cal state system tend to think that cal poly pomona is good just because it has the word "poly" in it (they think, oh it must be SLO's little brother), and possible because "pomona" is in it (oh yea, pomona college). in any case, the truth is, cal poly pomona is just the same as an average cal state like fullerton. </p>
<p>also, my high school is located right between fullerton and csu pomona. the caliber of kids from my high school that matriculate at both schools are the same.</p>
<p>Kosuke: Mind you, these are my rankings and they are far from being as accurate as they should be. </p>
<p>But let me offer you my reasoning: UCSD's size, funding (#1 public research), connection with Pfizer, excellence most areas led to my decisions in placing UCSD ahead of Mudd, and Pomona (which wasn't listed). </p>
<p>The truth is, it is difficult to compare LACs with universities such as UCSD, Stanford, etc., as these universities offer more degrees that are strong in more than one area. For example: Going to Berkeley, if I choose to change my mind from political science to biology, I won't lose quality; that is, Berkeley's programs in both poli sci and biology are strong.</p>
<p>With LACs, it is difficult to switch from major to major and maintain strong recognition in the field; hence, they are called Liberal Arts Colleges.</p>
<p>kfc4U: I beg to differ. Cal Poly Pomona has emerged as a competitive university amongst Cal States; it's engineering program received acknowledgment this year and besides Cal State San Bernardino, it grants the most credentials in this state for teachers. It's business schools continues to build itself as a reputable institution, but not to the caliber of Cal's Haas or UPenn's Wharton, of course.</p>
<p>SavedBytheBell7: I ranked only the top 3. Cal Poly Pomona is ahead for the reasons above.</p>
<p>Interesting. I think SDSU has a much more renowned business program in southern califorina. SDSU has greater endowments than even some UC's. (the international business program was ranked in the top 7 in the nation, the business program is ranked by US News in the top 60). Cal Poly Pomona may be greater for engineering programs. But look outside of engineering and it seems SDSU blows CAL POLy pomona out of the water. Have you even looked at the teaching program at SDSU and its rankings?? It's one of the best in California, if not the best. Also SDSU had 50,000 applications and will have a much lower acceptance rate, which shows increasing popularity and shows that SDSU has a pretty high calibur of student now-a-days.</p>
<p>I don't doubt that SDSU is a decent school; my rankings, as I've noted, are not too accurate and are based on the information I've gathered.</p>
<p>Cal Poly Pomona, like I mentioned, grants more credentials in California; second is Cal State San Bernardino.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that SDSU is a good CSU and deserves to be ranked with Cal Poly Pomona.</p>
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<p>Domino:</p>
<p>Well said, and I admire your enthusiasm, and it's nice to have another USC supporter on the board, but let's not get too carried away.</p>
<p>okay, i dont know the caliber of teachers that SDSU produces, but my high school is close to cal poly pomona, and we have some connection with them (sometimes their students sit into our classrooms, sometimes they might substitute teach, some even get hired to teach at my high school)... maybe they do grant a lot of teacher credentials, but quite honestly, the caliber of teachers that cal poly pomona is producing isnt that great. </p>
<p>but thanks for pointing their engineering program out, i do think they are getting more recognition. dont they also have a good agricultural program? and they raise arabian horses. i heard their MUN program is good too. their campus was also used for the movie "gattaca." thats what i know them for =)</p>
<p>They raise Arabian horses? Wow. Irony is that it's the Cal Poly Pomona Broncos.</p>
<p>yea they raise arabian horses. they have a horse farm and a special program on horse breeding (i think). if you drive by the campus, you should be able to see the horses.</p>
<p>Not to reveal my bias (heh heh), but my boyfriend attends CalPoly Pomona. Other than their engineering program (which he is a part of), I do not believe the school "stands out" more than Cal State Fulleron. Although, SLO is their "rival".</p>
<p>I think Pomona is getting seriously screwed here. Eiffelguy's definition of a liberal arts college was rather Bush-like, in that it was totally irrelevant. I would say Pomona is at worst #4 academically in the state behind Stanford, Berkeley and Tech.</p>
<p>What is your definition of a liberal arts college?</p>
<p>Harvey Mudd has an excellent reputation.</p>
<p>I would peg Pomona College and Harvey Mudd above Berkeley. Berkeley is known primarily for their graduate not undergraduate schools: the liberal arts majors at Pomona are superior to those of Berkeley and the engineering/math related fields at Harvey Mudd are superior then those at Berkeley. I'm not saying that Berkeley is by anyway a whimpy school because it isn't. However some schools are just better then others. </p>
<p>Berkeley as well as the other UCs were designed to admit the top 12.5% of the graduating seniors in CALIFORNIA; Pomona and Harvey Mudd on the other hand are private and can admit the top 1-3% of the graduating seniors in the NATION. Berkeley has to admit several thousand freshmen whereas these small LACs only have to admit around 500. With Berkeley's 25-75% SAT range 1190-1440 and Pomona's at 1390-1520 I'd wonder which one has a higher proportion of more qualified applicants? Face it...if you had a 4.0uw gpa and a 1300, 1400, 1500, or (god forbid) 1600 SAT you might still get rejected from Pomona, Harvey Mudd, and for that matter also Claremont Mckenna. However you would be an automatic shooin at Berkeley (and even if you did get rejected you could successfully petition it).</p>
<p>I guess the point of this argument is that liberal arts colleges are often overlooked, especially when it comes down to the "rankings." Just because Pomona, Harvey Mudd, etc. don't have the big reputations doesn't mean that they aren't good.People that need to know the schools (ie employers and grad schools) do. For example, in Wall Street Journal's, "the top feeder schools" rankings, Williams (a small LAC) is the #5 feeder school into the top grad programs behind Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford sending in roughly 10% of the graduating class into one of these top programs. Pomona was also one of the top feeder schools in the nation. Berkeley on the other hand.....had something like 0.63% of graduates going to a top grad program. </p>
<p>Too often CCers base rankings soley on reputation and thus (inadvertantly or advertantly) hurt the LACs standings. Please don't. Give them respect where respect is deserved =/.</p>
<p>azncoolkiemonstr, percentages arent everything though. i think you are referring to this website about feeder schools right? <a href="http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/pdfs/wsj_college_092503.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/pdfs/wsj_college_092503.pdf</a></p>
<p>its nice to see that pomona sent 23 students to top grad/professional schools. but even though berkeley had a bigger class, we still have to give a lot of credit to the school for being able to produce 118 students to top grad/professional schools. that just shows that the quality is there. 118 students is a lot more than the majority of the colleges on that list, and such a big number has to be attributed to something... strong caliber of students? or perhaps berkeley education and preparation is better than we think it is. ;)</p>
<p>perhaps, because Berkeley has an undergraduate business program, they recruit right out of the undergrad program, you don't need a masters??</p>