That was a couple of years ago, but we were in Stockholm last summer, too. Never had the time to go anywhere beyond the city - only had a couple of day every time. We need to go on a Scandinavian cruise!
@fractalmstr , @doschicos PC has run amok in Sweden. What the articles fail to mention is that they rely on official government statistics, which are being manipulated by the current government. There is no way to know what is actually happening because it is not being reported. But anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise and behavior of women in Sweden has changed. I doubt you would see much evidence of that in downtown Stockholm, but like elsewhere in Europe, there are no-go areas that were not that way a decade or two ago.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445169/sweden-rape-sexual-assault-non-muslim-immigrants
A couple comments about Sweden - I think they put more things under the definition of rape than the US does
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden
“Unlike the majority of countries in Europe, crime data in Sweden are collected when the offence in question is first reported, at which point the classification may be unclear. In Sweden, once an act has been registered as rape, it retains this classification in the published crime statistics, even if later investigations indicate that no crime can be proven or if the offence must be given an alternative judicial classification.”
So yes - @TooOld4School the government is “manipulating” it if that’s what you call it, but it’s hardly worth of the sensationalist tint you’re adding to it.
@BunsenBurner please do not post links to information! I am going to start a gofundme for beer research and @doschicos, @cobrat, and @busdriver11 are going to be my first donors!!! 
doschicos - going for pleasure! About 2 days in Stockholm, 2 in Helsinki, 1 in Estonia (day trip from Helsinki), and ~6 days in Norway from Oslo to Bergen (hoping to spend a night or two in the small towns in between).
I won’t get to see everything, but can always go back! haha. I usually do long days when I travel so with smaller cities, hoping to see most of the big things.
Sounds fantastic, soccerguy! Are you going on your own, or with a tour company? Asking for selfish reasons, trying to do something like that one day with my family.
Indeed, it actually has depending on how you define it: http://federal-tax-rates.insidegov.com/l/29/1944
That said, if she was telling the truth, her dad was among the highest earners in the country http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/03585522.2013.836985
Sweden’s population of 2011 includes 19.6% of non-ethnic-Swedish background, including 15.1% foreign born and 4.5% Swedish born with two foreign parents.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130317045943/http://www.scb.se:80/Pages/TableAndChart____26041.aspx
In the Fearson list at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level , the most ethnically homogeneous countries (as of 2003) start with North Korea, South Korea, Japan, Tunisia, Portugal, Italy, Poland, Greece, Netherlands, Yemen, Germany, Haiti, Albania, Norway, Austria, Denmark, Finland (Sweden was further down the list even then, below countries like Libya, China, Philippines, Egypt, Rwanda). Some of these are probably not what you consider desirable places to live or well governed.
Why do you consider ethnic homogeneity to be a “huge plus”?
Beers don’t cost $10 in Sweden:
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Sweden&displayCurrency=USD
(in USD, updated 2017)
Restaurants:
Domestic Beer (0.5 liter draught) 6.66 $
Imported Beer (0.33 liter bottle) 6.10 $
Markets:
Domestic Beer (0.5 liter bottle) 1.80 $
Imported Beer (0.33 liter bottle) 1.88 $
The above is complete nonsense, and any argument that rests on something like “the available data can’t be trusted, but trust me and some anecdotes I vaguely believe” is absolutely untenable to any person with even the slightest critical faculty.
If I remember correctly, it was NOW who turned down maternity benefits in the US. It was in the 80s. Their logic was that it would make women less competitive in work place.
I thought we already did that and that is why we are so far behind in math and science since we spend more time in critical thinking and individualism.
The lack of parental leave in the U.S. is mind-boggling. People who get a couple of months think that they’re fortunate!
I can see that the “believe me, not those phony statistics” mindset – along with “the very fact that an an alleged event goes unreported is proof that the event occurred” – has trickled down from above. If this poster is in college, I look forward to hearing how that approach works out when utilized in writing a social sciences paper.
How that will be graded will be taken as “proof” that the instructors / department / college are politically biased against his/her political views.
I don’t click on links, but based on the comments, the best country for women is Sweden.
My daughter lives in Copenhagen, and many of the cons written about Sweden pertain to Denmark as well.
My daughter pays 47% tax.
She doesn’t own a car, but when she will buy a brand new bike, she will pay 150% tax on it.
Everything is expensive. She stocks up on toiletries when she visits us, and always comments about how she forgets how cheap they are here in the USA.
The country is homogeneous, and even my liberal daughter says that immigrants should “act like Danes”.
She receives free health care, but quickly learned that it’s futile going to the doctor for a severe head cold, and has learned to drink tea and eat lots of fruits and vegetables to ward off cold symptoms.
Denmark does not have chocolate chips. :))
She loves it there, and I don’t think she’ll ever come back to the USA.
You don’t click on links for Conde Nast’s Traveler magazine? You are very cautious.
“She receives free health care, but quickly learned that it’s futile going to the doctor for a severe head cold”
It’s futile everywhere and a waste of $.
@busdriver11 going alone! Well, doing Stockholm and overnight boat to Helsinki alone. Hoping to meet a college friend in Helsinki for Finland and Estonia and convince her to join for Norway too! After Helsinki, will fly to Oslo and meet a work friend that now lives in Germany to explore Norway. Will fly back from Bergen to Stockholm and then Stockholm to DC. Seems like you can fly one way around Scandinavia for $100 or less per ticket.
Basically I wanted to go to Norway, and found the flight the DC to Stockholm for $480. Then I looked into the feasibility of adding Finland / Estonia.
The only time I’ve used a tour company was to go from Cusco to Machu Picchu, because it was like $50 more than me buying all the necessary tickets (there were lots of them) myself and included a tour guide.
That said, I’ve seen those Victoria Falls to Cape Town ~3 week tours which look suuuuuuuuper cool!
Same in the US–there’s no medication for the common cold.
Sounds like a blast, soccerguy! All of it!
How’d you get to this discussion, then? Unless you hand-type URLs in to your omnibar, you clicked a link on the “Parent Cafe” forum. It’s literally impossible to use the internet without clicking links.
I don’t disagree that there is probably some manipulation of the data going on to support their political agenda. The question is to what extent are they manipulating it? Who the hell knows…
Likely, those on the right have exaggerated immigrant crime rates in Sweden, while those on the left, including the government, have downplayed it to some extent (as one might expect).
At the end of the day, Sweden is still a very safe country.