<p>Is the frat house on campus? Is it really the case that supposedly there can be no drinkiing in frat houses, even for those old enough to drink?</p>
<p>I’m still a bit troubled about bringing the hammer down when the violation was discovered as a result of the kid being brought to the ER. That creates some dangerous disincentives, in my opinion.</p>
<p>Are these two goals that most can agree on? Stop risky alcohol behavior. Prevent deaths from the risky alcohol behavior that does happen.</p>
<p>What steps would stop the risky behavior from happening? </p>
<p>Pre-college education/awareness.</p>
<p>What steps could the college take? It is illegal in some manner as to those under 21, so zero tolerance, i.e. expulsion, for even possession on campus? Zero tolerance,i.e., expulsion, for under age consumption?</p>
<p>Or, perhaps a two strikes policy? Or, forced withdrawal and forfeiture of the tuition for the present term?</p>
<p>Dorm sweeps? Use security cams to spot “obviously intoxicated”? On campus “field sobriety tests?” Random blood/breath tests? Bounty/rewards (tuition credits?) for reporting violators? Penalties against any student who knows of an under age student’s drinking and does not report it?</p>
<p>What steps help to lessen the possibility of serious injury after the risky conduct has occurred?</p>
<p>Amnesty for the one assisting getting the person help? Bounty/rewards (tuition credits?) for those who assist getting the at risk violator help?</p>
<p>Expulsion for any student who knew of the situation and did not assist?</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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<p>Here is a good start:</p>
<p>Start a rolling 5 year program seeking to ban the participation of students in all aspects of Greek life in AND outside the campus during the school year.</p>
<p>What about the non-Greeks? This isn’t just a Gordie problem.</p>
<p>[Experts:</a> Alcohol enemas ‘extremely dangerous’ | Health - Home](<a href=“http://www.news4jax.com/health/Experts-Alcohol-enemas-extremely-dangerous/-/475590/16751628/-/isanu9z/-/index.html]Experts:”>http://www.news4jax.com/health/Experts-Alcohol-enemas-extremely-dangerous/-/475590/16751628/-/isanu9z/-/index.html)</p>
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<p>In other late breaking news, water was found to be wet.</p>
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<p>I could not agree more, and why I wrote “a good start” as the Greeks hardly have the monoply on egregious behavior. They, however, are rarely absent in any discussion about violations and poor choices. </p>
<p>And, you are right that is not a Gordie problem. I also like to point out that during the eight years since his premature death, his family has never sought to enforce the drastic measures that would make me happy. They have relentlessly focused on mitigating the problem through education and support. While I am sure it has helped countless potential victims, I still wonder how long we will defer committing to a real and permanent solution. </p>
<p>Unfortunately the words supposedly uttered by Winston remain true today: "“We can always count on the Americans to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all the other possibilities.”</p>
<p>Perhaps, I should propose a Xiggism here, namely "We can always count on our leaders in education to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all the other possibilities”</p>
<p>/pounding the ground!</p>
<p>You heard Maxine died, right?</p>
<p>Yes, the St Mark’s family lost several good people in the last years. She was an icon. </p>
<p>I assume you were “volunteered” to cafeteria duty; one of the nicest traditions at one of the greatest schools one can be lucky enough to attend.</p>
<p>Actually, I really did volunteer- for 3 shifts a month for all 4 years my son was in upper school I had been in the restaurant business before selling and going to law school. I liked it for every reason possible.</p>
<p>I also was a “griller Dad” for 3 years at the home football games. Just like Ray Hunt, but minus a few zeros.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120927/NEWS21/120927012/Father-UT-student-says-alcohol-enema-never-happened-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE[/url]”>http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120927/NEWS21/120927012/Father-UT-student-says-alcohol-enema-never-happened-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE</a></p>
<p>Dad and the rest of the fraternity say no alcohol enemas. Say police came up with that on their own. Who knows?</p>
<p>^^^well, his liver could have been fried from drinking however much you have to, to get to the point where an alcohol enema sounds good. </p>
<p>How much would you have to drink to realistically get to a .4 blood alcohol level?</p>
<p>According to a blood alcohol caculator, a 160 lbs person who drinks 8 on the rocks drinks in an hour has a .20 blood alcohol level.</p>
<p>Both the dad and the newspaper got it wrong. You don’t bypass the liver with the enema. You bypass the stomach and small intestine. Alcohol can’t reach the liver until it is in the bloodstream, and once it is in the bloodstream, it is impossible to “bypass” the liver without extracting it. The liver cleans alcohol out of the blood by breaking it down. If the liver were truly out of the picture, for example if its function were severely compromised by cirrhosis, you’d stay drunk. In other words, the liver is responsible for sobering you up. It has nothing to do with the process of getting drunk.</p>
<p>Hanna</p>
<p>If the .40 blood alcohol level is correct, does that level indicate the faster absorption rate and continuing absorption of the enema? Or, is it still an equally plausible conclusion that it could have been injested orally?</p>
<p>It depends on what you mean by “bypass” the liver. Of course, you can’t escape the liver metabolism indefinitely. However, the first pass effect (primarily through the liver) eliminates a big fraction of the drug or alcohol absorbed. This is what happens when you have oral administration. You can bypass this first pass effect through rectal administration. </p>
<p>And remember, alcohol metabolism is pretty slow and decreases at a constant rate, so if it gets to the systemic circulation its going to have effect for awhile.</p>
<p>…the chapter leaders are collecting signed affidavits from every member of the fraternity. Those affidavits reportedly deny that the alcohol enemas took place on the night in question or ever.</p>
<p>Oh well then, signed affidavits denying the allegations…I guess it never happened!</p>
<p>Whatever the punishment for these guys is . . . it ought to start with mandatory Anatomy classes.</p>
<p>“If the .40 blood alcohol level is correct, does that level indicate the faster absorption rate and continuing absorption of the enema? Or, is it still an equally plausible conclusion that it could have been injested orally?”</p>
<p>I don’t know. I’ve heard of BACs reaching that level through drinking, but always with hard alcohol. With box wine…I’ll be interested to hear what a medical professional has to say about that.</p>
<p>What difference does it make, anyway? The only real infraction here is underage consumption, as far as I can tell.</p>