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<p>The Bible does not mention dinosaurs by name as we know them, but does contain descriptions of creatures that sound like dinosaurs.</p>

<p>The Behemoth has the following attributes according to Job 40:15-24</p>

<p>It “eats grass like an ox.”
It “moves his tail like a cedar.” (In Hebrew, this literally reads, “he lets hang his tail like a cedar.”)
Its “bones are like beams of bronze,
His ribs like bars of iron.”
“He is the first of the ways of God.” (This phrase in the original Hebrew implied that behemoth was the biggest animal created)
“He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.”</p>

<p>There's also the Leviathan, which has the following attributes according to Job chapter 41, Psalm 104:25,26 and Isaiah 27:1.</p>

<p>“No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up.”
“Who can open the doors of his face, with his terrible teeth all around?”
“His rows of scales are his pride, shut up tightly as with a seal; one is so near another that no air can come between them; they are joined one to another, they stick together and cannot be parted.”
“His sneezings flash forth light, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. Out of his mouth go burning lights; sparks of fire shoot out. Smoke goes out of his nostrils, as from a boiling pot and burning rushes. His breath kindles coals, and a flame goes out of his mouth.”
“Though the sword reaches him, it cannot avail; nor does spear, dart, or javelin. He regards iron as straw, and bronze as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee; slingstones become like stubble to him. Darts are regarded as straw; he laughs at the threat of javelins.”
“On earth there is nothing like him, which is made without fear.”
Leviathan “played” in the “great and wide sea” (a paraphrase of Psalm 104 verses 25 and 26—get the exact sense by reading them yourself).
Leviathan is a “reptile [a] that is in the sea.” (Isaiah 27:1)</p>

<p>(The above was all copied from <a href="http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/p>

<p>I'm obviously a Christian; I was brought up in the church by my parents. I have at times questioned my faith, wondered if everything I believe in is a waste, but return to the conclusion that God is real, and Jesus is his son.</p>

<p>We've had lessons at my church about why we believe in the Bible, and one point brought up is there are many scientific facts written in the Bible that weren't discovered by scientists until years later. The fact that the earth is round (Isaiah 40:22, Luke 14), the earth isn't supported by anything (Romans and Greeks thought it was held by the neck of Atlas or earth was floating on water) (Job 26:7), there are no stars or galaxies or planets directly to the north (Job 26:7), there are currents in the sea (Psalm 8:8). How would these writers have known these facts, unless it was through God?</p>

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<p>It's ridiculus how one can deny the existence of God, it's OK to be unsure but to deny his existence. Everything is possible, somethings are more possibe then others. For example, you are more likely to find a dollar on the floor when compared to winning the lottery, but both things are definitely possible.</p>

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<p>Behemoths and Leviathans? That's D&D talk!</p>

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<p>kac88, the word "dinosaur" was coined only a couple years ago, while the Bible was written thousands of years ago. that's why you won't see the word "dinosaur" written in the book, but there are mentions of it.</p>

<p>i've been a skeptic of Christianity for awhile, but the more i look into it, the more evidence there seems to be for its validity.
i'm not a "born-again" believer yet, but i think the evidence supporting it is pretty impressive.</p>

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<p>Jews for Jesus doesn't defeat the purpose because if your mother is Jewish, you are Jewish .. so. o_O.</p>

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<p>Not quite. Though this may be debated among Jewish sects, it is to my understanding that Jews believe that Jesus is not the messiah. Thus, if you accept Christ as the anointed one, you aren't exactly a Jew anymore now are you?</p>

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<p>i always that that the term "Jewish" also identifies your ethnicity as well.
i know a Jewsih person who accepted Christ as the messiah and he called himself a "Messianic Jew"</p>

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<p>Well, I'm certainly not an expert on Jewish faith, but when we start getting into this ethnicity stuff, things can get ugly -.-</p>

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<p>embrangled - firstly, "nemeses" is the plural of "nemesis"; I used it correctly.
Secondly, don't take my phrasing so seriously. I was sort of kidding and just trying to point out your harshness was... ironic. No hard feelings. I'm not a fan of Christian converters, either.</p>

<p>To the dinosaur defenders: I've seen quotes like that a million times before... they mean nothing to me. You can take any sentence in the Bible and spin it how it suits your needs (people have been doing it for hundreds of years)... that doesn't make it true.</p>

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I know there is a God. The world is too perfect to not have one. The earth spins at a 23 degree tilt. If that were off even half a degree, seasons would go crazy and life would be screwed.

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<p>***. You've got to be kidding me. </p>

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<li><p>This argument is pointless. If Earth's tilt was 10 degrees, the same argument would apply.</p></li>
<li><p>Seasons don't exist at the equator. Life isn't screwed up there.</p></li>
<li><p>Life has evolved to exist in its climates. Obviously the life that couldn't deal with seasons died out.</p></li>
<li><p>Earth's tilt varies from about 20 degrees to 25 degrees. From wikipedia:
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Milankovitch cycles are the collective effect of changes in the Earth's movements upon its climate, named after Serbian civil engineer and mathematician Milutin Milanković. The eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession of the Earth's orbit vary in several patterns, resulting in 100,000 year ice age cycles of the Quaternary glaciation over the last few million years. The Earth's axis completes one full cycle of precession approximately every 26,000 years. At the same time, the elliptical orbit rotates, more slowly, leading to a 22,000 year cycle in the equinoxes. In addition, the angle between Earth's rotational axis and the normal to the plane of its orbit changes from 21.5 degrees to 24.5 degrees and back again on a 41,000 year cycle. Presently, this angle is 23.44 degrees.

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<p>I think it's extremely arrogant to believe in a particular religion. Most people follow a WRONG religion. Most religions are LIES. It's truth. There is no debating this fact. I personally find it immoral to say that my beliefs are somehow more valid than someone else's. We all have valid perspectives (not conclusions, though). But no matter which religion is truly right, most people and most religions will be totally wrong.</p>

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<p>perfectly_flawed: I don't feel like being preachy, because it isn't my place. But, if your friend is interested:</p>

<p>This is why Judaism (as a whole) doesn't see Christ as the messiah:
<a href="http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/jews-jesus/jews-jesus-index.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/jews-jesus/jews-jesus-index.html&lt;/a> </p>

<p>:)</p>

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<p>Anyone see tonight's Charlie Rose interview with the religious science dude selling a book?</p>

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<p>no, what was the guy's name?</p>

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<p>lolololololol. I don’t math, but I find this comical</p>

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<p>Oh god, this is an old thread bumped. Watch we have like 50 different discussions now.</p>

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<p>^^Decent post, but still necro that will likely lead to religious arguments.</p>

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<p>I’m hoping that diluting it into two threads will make the argument confused between threads and stop as a result</p>

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<p>^Interesting plan. Let’s hope it works.</p>

<p>Random color for 25 seconds</p>

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<p>wow why did you bump this 3 year old thread</p>

<p>christ ftw</p>

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<p>^Excellent defense of theism. <em>high five</em></p>