<p>just wondering if someone could make a list</p>
<p>Hope, Kalamazoo, Earlham, Berry, Grinnell, Xavier (now closed) will get you started.</p>
<p>Don't forget about CSU-Dominguez Hills, Elizabeth City State, VSU, St. Paul's College, William Penn U, Barber Scotia College, and East-West University</p>
<p>Mine were no joke - check out both the med. school admit rates, and the admit rates relative to entering SAT scores, and you'd quickly come to the conclusion that these schools represent among the highest "pre-med value-added" of any schools in the country.</p>
<p>In fact, if you compared these students with those who entered JHU (for example) thinking that they were pre-med, you'd quickly find that they fare extremely favorably. You might also want to compare undergraduate published research in biology at Hope or Earlham with any of the Ivies as a marker of research opportunities. Or you could check out the percentage of the student body that goes on to medical school from Xavier with the similar percentage at Princeton or Yale.</p>
<p>Sometimes things don't conform to our prejudices.</p>
<p>Um okay, mine weren't jokes either. Maybe it is you who needs to curb your prejudices.</p>
<p>I think you are mature enough to understand the word "our".</p>
<p>So tell us about Barber Scotia.</p>
<p>Amused couldn't back up his misinformation nor explain away his poor joke, so he choked on his own words. Mini is accurate; Xavier of Louisiana's percentage of successful admits to Medical School is among the highes in the nation. And yes, it's more than one or two students. As has been said, Xavier's RIGOROUS pre-med program is HIGHLY RESPECTED by medical and graduate schools. Can Amused's alma mater, 'East-West University,' say the same?</p>
<p>is Xavier still open?</p>
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<p>How would one get this data? what source cites articles by undergrad affiliation of the authors?</p>
<p>I am not that impressed by Xavier's premed results. Their average GPA for admitted students to "professional health schools include: allopathic & osteopathic medicine, dentistry, optometry, veterinary medicine, and graduate nursing programs" was 3.64, which is high compared to national averages for students admitted to allopathic medical school. Of course, allopathic admission is much more competitive than admissions to the other fields, except for vet school. Xavier's GPA is also higher than the average for students admitted to medical school from some of the colleges that CC'ers obsess about. </p>
<p>Compare these numbers to the results for Amherst or Princeton. From Xavier the average science GPA of those who were accepted to "professional health schools" was 3.5. From Princeton the average science GPA for those accepted to medical school was 3.43. </p>
<p>From Xavier the average science GPA of those who were not admitted to allopathic medical schools was 3.4, At Amherst, they consider a science GPA of greater than 3.1 as "well qualified" and show a high admit rate for such students.</p>
<p>From Cornell: "Eighty-six percent of those Cornellians with a GPA of 3.4 or better were accepted into medical school in 2004."</p>
<p>So Xavier students need higher GPA's to get into medical school than do students from Amherst, Cornell, and Princeton. This is not a criticism of Xavier, it is a fine place, but I think its reputation for getting people into medical school can be exaggerated. If you go to Xavier, do well, have a high GPA, and get good MCAT's, then you have an excellent chance of getting into medical school. The same can be said for many, many other colleges. </p>
<p>It is true that Xavier enrolls many students who would not have been admitted to ACP, but they do not indicate what percentage of these people end up going to medical school.</p>
<p>As for any other college, it is impossible to sort out how many students enter hoping to become doctors only to become discouraged by the work load, their grades, interactions with other premeds, etc.</p>
<p>May be it's easier to get a 3.64 at Xavier than a 3.4 at Cornell? I'm just guessing.</p>
<p>Northwestern University!</p>
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<p>That's the problem, nobody knows. Perhaps some faculty members who have taught the same courses at both schools. Otherwise, it is conjecture.</p>
<p>About the closest one can come, and it is not very close, is to compare the GPA of the average med school admit to the GPA of the average student. It is hard to find both for any one school. At Princeton, I think the 2 GPA's are very close to one another. In other words, getting admitted to medical school is something an average Princeton student reasonably can expect. So, if you have a high school record typical of a Princeton student, you have a good shot of getting into medical school later. If you go to Princeton, and get what are for Princeton average grades, then you will be in a good position when application time rolls around. With some digging, you can probably find average GPA's for quite a few colleges, but it is difficult to find meaningful average GPA figures for those admitted to medical school.</p>
<p>Why don't we just ask the Medical School Admissions Committees for their opinion of Xavier et al? Oops, I forgot, they already gave their stamp of approval...BY ADMITTING AND GRADUATING STUDENTS FROM XAVIER et al!</p>
<p>What are y'all, anti-Catholic? Some folks just simply miss the point. The questioner asked about quality pre-med programs. By any standard, the program at Xavier was exceptional and it will be a shame if the university is not restored.</p>
<p>I hope nobody interprets my comments as anti-Catholic, or ant-Xavier. I too hope it is restored. </p>
<p>Just keeping the facts straight. Some places acquire reputations as being secret back doors into med school. Rarely true. At Xavier, or anywhere else, you have to work hard, consistently, learn the material, demonstrate interest in and knowledge of medcine, etc.</p>
<p>Look, the top premed schools have been and always will be all those specialized BS/MD programs that guarantee your admission to med-school (provided you stay eligible in the program). Having guaranteed admission to med-school the day you step foot into college is priceless.</p>