<p>Relative to international prestige, domestic prestige might matter. It helps you get your first job and may help you get an interview. On the other hand, international prestige does not matter at all. </p>
<p>Like I said to techie, I am an advocate that people should work hard and forget about prestige because other than getting you your first job, domestic prestige doesn't matter. But domestic prestige is obviously more important than international prestige because at least it helps you get your first job.</p>
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I picked my schools based solely on its reputation in the field I'm interested in taking in the future.
<p>Then to put it lightly, I'm screwed. lol Personally, I know it won't happen so I'll think about it, then brush off the idea of changing fields by focusing on the negatives on that field. That typically clears my mind off pretty well I have to say.</p>
<p>Brown Man, the things I listed don't <em>require</em> a degree with international prestige. I was just giving a quick response to your question: "Why the hell should I care...?" Maybe it's just me, but I like to expand my horizons and see what the rest of the world is thinking or doing.</p>
<p>What the international community thinks about American schools has very little do with their overall quality and breadth as institutions of learning, but rather is a function of their specific value systems and hearsay(whether informed or not). Just because Rice is virtually unknown internationally, that doesn't make it any less fantastic of a school.</p>
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Ok let's entertain your ridiculous notion that a non-negligible number of Duke premeds don't use the Premed Advising Center's services at all. It would be MISLEADING to report the total acceptance rate in this case because its purely the own fault of these students for not using the extensive support systems that the school has set in place for them.
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<p>This isn't even semantics. this is just plain terrible.
Also, GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD THAT THE STATISTIC PROVIDED BY DUKE WAS NOT FOR STUDENTS USING THE PREMED SERVICES, BUT RATHER, APPLYING TO MED SCHOOL THROUGH THEIR PREMED CENTER. YOU CAN USE DUKE'S PREMED SERVICES AND STILL NOT APPLY THROUGH THEIR PREMED CENTER.</p>
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In fact, if the overall rate was somehow a lot lower, wouldn't it show HOW GREAT Duke's premed advising is because it is able to dramatically increase the chances for a student to be accepted to med school versus if one went solo?
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<p>Uhhh... no. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of statistics. Go read the article I posted again. Anyway, many schools restrict what kind of students have access to applying through these centers<a href="i.e." title="you must have a certain GPA/MCAT score to apply through our center">/B</a>. ONCE AGAIN, UNDERSTAND THAT THE STATISTIC PROVIDED WAS FOR STUDENTS WHO **APPLIED THROUGH THE MEDICAL CENTER, NOT USED DUKE'S PREMED ADVISING SERVICES. YOU CAN USE DUKE'S PREMED ADVISING SERVICES AND NOT *APPLY THROUGH THE MEDICAL CENTER.
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<p>Please stop avoiding these two questions:</p>
<p>1) If the rate of premed acceptance at the med school center and the rate of premed acceptance of Duke as a whole were similar, why wouldn't Duke release the overall statistics? They must be hiding something.</p>
<p>2) Why did MIT's overall rate drop once they included all med school applicants? What makes you think the same won't happen for Duke?<br>
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If you can answer these two questions properly, I will gladly concede that Duke is not trying to deceive prospective students by posting med-school acceptance rates only for those who apply through the center.**</p>
<p>No, coolman123, what I'm saying is that it's good to know how prestige may be viewed differently in the rest of the world compared to the US...and to know why it is so.</p>
<p>Techie I'm sorry if you find my "why the hell..." comment crude but it wasn't directed towards you. If you noticed, for about two pages before you posted, people were debating international prestige.</p>
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In fact, if the overall rate was somehow a lot lower, wouldn't it show HOW GREAT Duke's premed advising is because it is able to dramatically increase the chances for a student to be accepted to med school versus if one went solo?
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<p>This is the case for other schools that provide overall rates. Cornell's overall acceptance rate of about 75% (and I'm NOT comparing Cornell to Duke, I'm just using it as an example) is impressive because that includes EVERYONE that applied (even the people who applied for the hell of it and knew they had no chance of getting in). The acceptance rate for qualified applicants is much higher than that 75%.</p>
<p>Bacchanalia, you can substitute "national/regional" for "international" in your comment and it would still be true.</p>
<p>Look guys, the title of this thread is "top 15 most prestigious universities".
It's obviously an opinion poll, albeit aided by semi-objective rankings from USNWR, ARWU, THES, etc. My initial comment about international prestige was to offer another point of view. What is there to argue? Why are people attacking my comments?</p>
<p>Since the OP did not make any specific requirements, one can offer an opinion on the:
*top 15 most prestigious US universities as viewed by Americans
*top 15 most prestigious US universities as viewed by the rest of the world
*top 15 most prestigious universities in the world, as viewed by Americans
*top 15 most prestigious universities in the world, as viewed by the rest of the world
etc. etc. etc. You get the idea.</p>
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Since the OP did not make any specific requirements, one can offer an opinion on the:
*top 15 most prestigious US universities as viewed by Americans
*top 15 most prestigious US universities as viewed by the rest of the world
*top 15 most prestigious universities in the world, as viewed by Americans
*top 15 most prestigious universities in the world, as viewed by the rest of the world
etc. etc. etc. You get the idea.
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<p>How many of us have travelled all over the world in order to be qualified to speak about the international prestige of schools? This international prestige deal is really a moot point.</p>
<p>^ Well if you look at it that way, how many of us have travelled all over the USA and talked with enough people to get a great understanding of how people from every area view these schools. The fact is, Brown is a lot more prestigious in Rhode Island than Emory, and Emory is more prestigious in Georgia. Prestige is often regional.</p>
<p>I think all these prestige threads ever measure is prestige on CC.</p>
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What the international community thinks about American schools has very little do with their overall quality and breadth as institutions of learning, but rather is a function of their specific value systems and hearsay(whether informed or not). Just because Rice is virtually unknown internationally, that doesn't make it any less fantastic of a school.
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<p>Correct. But the original post asks for the 15 most prestigious schools. If Rice is virtually unknown in academia, outside of Texas, and in the international community, it wouldn't qualify as prestigious.</p>
<p>Applicants that circumvent premed offices advise and apply solo have terrible chances at admissions. Why? Well at Hopkins for example, if you apply solo, medical schools tend to look down on this highly and they will call up the premed advising office and ask why didn't this applicant use the committee system or why didn't this individual apply using the services and recommendation letter provided by the office. As many premeds at the Student Doctors forum this, "this is when the s hit hits the fan."</p>
<p>Success rates differs from individuals who apply through the premed centers and those who do not. They differ drastically.</p>
<p>I think what Brownman was referring to, though, were premed centers that use strong-armed "advising" tactics (you should know Phead since you'll be attending JHU). To be honest, I haven't heard of Duke screening its applicants. But, I do know JHU does.</p>
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piccolojunior- I sincerely hope you were joking in your last post. When's the closest Stanford ever came to a national title in men's basketball? Who's stanford's current coach (I'll give you a hint, he's a dukie). Who the **** remembers anyone who was on the 04' team? (all I know is Childress) Do you realize that the class of 08 is the first one since '85 to not reach a final four?</p>
<p>Oh, and since when do people ever care about the regular season? Do you keep tabs on how many wins Stanford has each season it fails to reach the tourney?</p>
<p>Obviously Stanford beats Duke out in academic prestige.
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<p>Bacchanela was talking about general prestige, and a lot of people remember that half-court shot, don't know what college basketball you watch.
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<p>And in the past five years of men's ball, Stanford and Duke have the same number of titles. :)</p>
<p>This is all moot ( we all know Duke ball > Stanford ball, but UNC > both), since Tiger Woods pretty much solos the Stanford v. Duke battle.</p>
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Why does Domestic prestige matter?</p>
<p>I picked my schools based solely on its reputation in the field I'm interested in taking in the future. Let me go to Harvard for engineering. It may sound impressive, but you will be heavily looked down upon by peers from other schools who are in the know and are in the mix.
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<p>I talked to someone who's going to do engineering at Harvard. His rationale is that since the uni is putting so much money into the school as we speak, an initially low engineering student body + influx of cash = more money/student. Don't know how solid that is, but by the time he graduates Harvard's engineering school will be a lot stronger than it is now.</p>
<p>Lol, of course it's stupid for them to not report their complete stats -- obviously they're trying the whole WashU M/O.</p>
<p>Whether it's unethical?? -- it's shady, but they're just doing what I'm sure lots of schools do in different areas -- almost meaning by default that there aren't really any stringent standards.</p>
<p>My last question is, does this work? Would anyone really pick Duke over another t25 school becasue of it's med school placement? It takes two seconds of digging and comparison to find out how flawed those numbers are -- unless of course you assume that the number of students that apply using different means is negligible.</p>