Top Bioengineering/ BME Schools?

<p>My D has been accepted to MIT and U Mich for bioengineering. She is interested in medical research, and not determined on whether to major in BME, bioengineering, neuroscience, cognitive science, or just plain microbiology. She has interned for 2 years at Stanford in neuroscience, and loves the lab environment.</p>

<p>I know that JHU and UCSD are top biomedical engineering schools. What are the other ones? How does U of Mich rank in that area? She has been offered serious merit money from U Mich, and is expecting a serious offer from WUSTL as well.</p>

<p>MIT is definitely the best in the country. If you can live without the merit money, MIT will make a fair offer to meet demonstrated financial need and she will be far better served during college, in subsequent graduate school, and in her career. I responded to your companion post before this one, but following are the NRC rankings in full in biomedical engineering. </p>

<p>In all biological sciences combined, the schools you mentioned are ranked MIT second, UCSD fourth, WUSTL 13th, Johns Hopkins 15th and Michigan 17th. (Stanford is ranked first.)</p>

<p>In engineering, MIT is number one, Michigan is eighth, Johns Hopkins is 25th, WUSTL is 47th and UCSD is unranked.</p>

<p>Biomedical Engineering rankings </p>

<p>1 MIT 4.62
2 Cal San Diego 4.45
3 University of Washington 4.35
4 Duke 4.33
5 Penn 4.28
6 Johns Hopkins 4.25
7 Cal San Francisco 4.19
8 Cal Berkeley 4.08
9 Utah 3.97
10 Rice 3.94
11 Michigan 3.91
12 Stanford 3.86
13 Case Western 3.84
14 Northwestern 3.82
15 Rochester 3.67
16 Vanderbilt 3.65
17 North Carolina 3.49
18 Minnesota 3.49
19 Texas 3.48
20 Penn State 3.48
21 Virginia 3.44
22 Drexel 3.42
23 Cal Davis 3.37
24 Iowa 3.35
25 Alabama Birmingham 3.27
26 Ohio State 3.26
27 Rutgers 3.16
28 Texas Southwestern Med Ctr 3.13
29 RPI 2.97
30 Iowa State 2.92
31 North Carolina State 2.86
32 Dartmouth College 2.83
33 Clemson 2.74
34 Texas A&M 2.50
35 Illinois Chicago 2.41
36 Miami 2.11
37 Akron 1.92
38 Worcester Polytechnic Inst 1.72</p>

<p>Thanks a bunch! I am surprised by the combined sciences ranking. Would you mind giving the top 20 schools in that category as well? I imagine Harvard, U Penn, Yale, etc. are all top ranked in that category?</p>

<p>In biological sciences, top 20:</p>

<ol>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>UC San Diego</li>
<li>UC Berkeley</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>U of Washington</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Wisconsin</li>
<li>Duke</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>Cal Tech</li>
<li>Washington U. St. Louis</li>
<li>Pennsylvania</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins</li>
<li>UCLA</li>
<li>Michigan</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>UC Davis</li>
</ol>

<p>and top 10 in Engineering</p>

<ol>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Berkeley</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Cal Tech</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Illinois</li>
<li>Michigan</li>
<li>UC San Diego</li>
<li>Purdue</li>
</ol>

<p>and top 10 in Physical Sciences</p>

<ol>
<li>Berkeley</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Cal Tech</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>UC San Diego</li>
<li>U of Washington</li>
</ol>

<p>and just for the heck of it, in arts and sciences, top 10:</p>

<ol>
<li>UC Berkeley</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>Pennsylvania</li>
<li>Duke</li>
</ol>

<p>MIT is amazing in Engineering and Michigan is not far behind, so your daughter is set. Unless Michigan should somehow be much cheaper (merit aid and the such) or unless she really hates MIT's aotmosphere and loves Michigan's, I'd say MIT is the clear choice. </p>

<p>In terms of Biomedical Engineering, both MIT and Michigan are very highly regarded (top 10 for sure). The ranking provided by Redcimblue is over 10 years old. Both MIT and Michigan have young Biomedical Engineering programs. They have invested heavily in facilities and faculty over the last decade and they are both generally ranked between #5 and #10 in Biomedical Engineering. </p>

<p>Johns Hopkins, UCSD and Duke are generally considered to be the top 3, but at the undergraduate level, all of those programs are going to be more than your D can possible handle, so I'd still say MIT unless financial issues get in the way...or unless your D cannot stand the atmosphere are MIT.</p>

<p>What do you mean by "more than she can handle?" Do you mean that core requirements are high, or that the courses are very tough? I know UC Berkeley told us she could not possibly even do a minor with their core requirements - she is also interested in linguistics and neuroscience - in the bioengineering program.</p>

<p>Interestingly, she absolutely loved MIT's culture and people, and applied early. She does not know U Mich because we have not visited, but was lured by offers of merit money. At this point U Mich has offered merit $$ for half of the total costs from the Eng School, and another alum fund is considering her as a finalist for the rest of the freight cost.</p>

<p>It will be a very tough choice! I spent half the night last night reading the 50+ pages of postings on the subject of merit aid vs. HYPMS on another thread.</p>

<p>She is also getting merit money from Wash U of St. Louis, which has a (we were led to believe) a strong biomed eng. program but it is unranked due to it being launched in 1997.</p>

<p>Btw, for you cogniscenti out there, UC Berkeley has comletely revamped their program last year in bioengineering to emulate UCSD. MIT just started offering an undergrad bioengineering degree last year (available only to sophomores and up.) Stanford does not even have an undergrad degree in this area. Things are definitely in flux in this discipline.</p>

<p>Research what they teach and what the curriculum entails. Bioeng/biomed...is one of those areas where the curriculum and course offerings can vary a lot among different schools. I am dumbfounded by that sentence from Alexandre too. I don't think he meant what the words appear to say. If anything that's too tough, it's mostly encountered at MIT, not all those other schools. Maybe he meant the reverse--your D has more than enough to handle them since she got into MIT.</p>

<p>I think what Alexandre meant is that you're looking at a wide variety of programs, and she can't major in all of them at once. :)</p>

<p>Just so you know, students at MIT don't declare a major until after freshman year, so all majors at MIT are offered to "sophomores and up." You're correct that last year's sophomores (class of 2008) was the first class which was allowed to declare BE as a major, although of course the department has been teaching classes and awarding minors for years.</p>

<p>MIT makes it pretty easy to double-major, and she could certainly major in BE and neuroscience. I was a neuroscience major (with biology), so if you have any questions about the program, please feel free to PM me.</p>

<p>Mollie got it right. She definitely does MIT proud! Hehe!!! I meant that large Engineering programs (like MIT, Michigan, Duke, Johns Hopkins, UCSD etc...) will offer undergraduate students everything (in terms of research and academics) they can possibly focus on an much more. </p>

<p>MIT and Stanford are, in my opinion, the top two universities in the US. If my kids were smart enough, those are the two universities I would recommend most highly. Since your daughter has visited MIT and has liked it, I think she should go for it. It really is a unique opportunity. Of course, if finances are an issue, and Michigan ends up costing you $150,000 less than MIT over 4 years, then you have a tough decision to make.</p>

<p>Those rankings must be old. University of Pittsburgh is now no. 14, up from no. 15 the year before in bioenrg. And I don't see Carnegie Mellon on any of those lists. </p>

<p>I have noticed the "relatively" new bioengineering majors at MIT and CMU recently, and from what I remember of our college search last year, at the time those two schools (and also Cornell??) had a philosophy that this was a field that really required a large breadth of knowledge from biology, microbiology, mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, and maybe something else I can't remember now. Anyway, they seemed to think you couldn't really "major" in bioe, so they didn't offer it that way, but encouraged a major, say, in mechanical engineering with your electives in stuff like biology, anatomy, biomechanics, etc. and then grad school to polish it up.</p>

<p>It seems like they had to cave and offer the major to compete with the other schools that offered it that way.</p>

<p>It is very true that engineering disciplines are merging. Plus each field had been advancing over the past two decades, resulting in lots of knowledge that a student must absorb, even just for that single field. At the schools that offer BME, if you look at the curricula it is actually a mishmash of various engineering disciplines collected together to serve medical purposes. So a bit of EE, a bit of ME, a bit of materials e, plus biology. And I would say that probably an undergrad degree alone does not really qualify you to fly solo for a solid career (though I could easily be wrong here) like engineering used to be. I suspect a masters is a necessary condition going forward. That is why you still don't see Stanford offering BioE as a separate major for undergrads.</p>

<p>My D is actually much more a bio science kid than an engineering kid, even though she is tops in math and physics. In her own words it's a question of passion. That said, her competence in the hard sciences and math makes her a good candidate for BioE. We encouraged her to explore this field for the fresh possibilities, and told her it is ok if she decides to focus on, say, neuroscience, after all. Hence the long list of possible interest areas.</p>

<p>When we spoke with the professor (a dynamite) at MIT who really coalesced the curricula there for BioE, she told us that MIT considers biology to be a field whose techniques and technologies have matured sufficiently to be treated as an engineering discipline. Hence if you look at their courses, the titles all begin with "bio..." e.g. biomaterials, biomechanics, etc. I believe this approach at the undergrad level is new, possibly revolutionary. So they don't call their offerings BME but rather BioE, with an intentional difference. Deserving of its reputation, MIT is bold and sophisticated in its thinking about how it tackles engineering frontiers. This session with the professor so inspired my child that she picked MIT as her top choice (do you hear some resigned fatalism in my voice?) She does not have to make a choice between biology and bioE, because at MIT BioE IS Biology. How about that?!</p>

<p>The truth is that most exciting engineering jobs in the future will require a deep knowledge in one area, but also reasonable acquaintance with at least one other discipline. My H was a physics major at Berkeley, and later moved to CS/EE. He spent most of his career doing software, but never far from handling circuit boards and wires in the labs, the "beasts" that his software had to manipulate. His knowledge from physics helped him navigate the hardware world, something that was unusual in his day for "softies." The future engineer must be able to cross over more easily, because the applications will require that: witness nanotechnology. Btw, THAT is a field where an undergrad major truly makes no sense!</p>

<p>So, a long post later, I would say that my hats off to the new engineering majors. Theirs are much tougher roads than we ever had to traverse!</p>

<p>And thanks to Redcrimblue with the lists, my mind is much clearer now about the opportunities and the relative tradeoffs among my D's choices.</p>