<p>How hard will it be for me to get into a top tier law school if I attend Texas A and M, with a GPA close to a 4.0 (major=economics), and a LSAT score of about a 165+?</p>
<p>It really depends. What do you mean by 165+ on your LSAT? Do you mean 165 or 173? A 4.0 from A&M with good essays, strong recommendations and a 173 on your LSAT will get you into most of the top 7 or 8 Law schools in the nation. However, If you have a 165 on your LSAt and your essays and recommendations leave soemthing to be desired, you will probably struggle to get into one of the top Law schools. So it really depends on how you decorate that 4.0! hehe</p>
<p>I think that even though the percentiles in the LSAT for a 165 and a 180 are about the same (98% to 100%), I think LS's see a great difference between a 165 and a 170 and a 176 and a 180. A 4.00 GPA or thereabout is pretty good for T1s.</p>
<p>Ndbisme, esq.</p>
<p>Well, what I guess what my question is, does it matter if I go to A & M to get my 4.0 (I hope :-P) or UT at Austin in order to get into the top tier?</p>
<p>It doesn't matter.</p>
<p>Certainly a very high LSAT will validate your A & M education.</p>
<p>Something hasn't been stressed in this thread which I think should be:</p>
<p>You don't need a 4.0 to get into top tier law schools. Even Harvard Law accepts students with 3.7s, although I think that is most likely from top ranked schools.</p>
<p>Texas A&M isn't some joker school although it's not say... Duke. A 3.5 and above and a 160 and above from top 100 undergraduate institutions will get you a shot at top tier (not necessarily top 14) law schools.</p>
<p>Top 14 = in my opinion 3.6 or higher GPAs, 165+ LSATs.</p>
<p>bump bumpty bump</p>
<p>I don't have prelaw admissions data for A&M or UTAustin.</p>
<p>But I do have prelaw admissions data for UCBerkeley, another large and prominent public school. </p>
<p>If you want to talk about Harvard Law, in 2003, the Berkeley prelaws who got admitted into HLS in 2003 had an average gpa of 3.98/4 (that's right, a 3.98/4) and an average LSAT of 171. </p>
<p>That's right Sakky. I have the offical numbers for Michigan. For Michigan students who got accepted to Harvard, the mean GPA was 3.96 with a mean LSAT of 170. Roughly 100 Michigan students applied to Harvard, 15 got in and 8 decided to enroll. That's just to Harvard Law. But there are many other great Law programs.</p>
<p>3.98 at Berkeley isn't THAT high because the GPA's are weighted. So it's not out of "3.98/4." I'm not sure what it's out of, but look at the GPA for Stanford, its 4.12.</p>
<p>Look at the footnotes of the weblink I posted. The numbers shown are official numbers as reported by the LSDAS to the respective law schools, and they give no weighting whatsoever because it came from Berkeley specifically. The only 'weighting' is the LSDAS 'grade-shredding' weighting, and what basically happens is that an A+ is worth 4.33 (basically any '+' is worth 0.33 above the standard letter grade, so a B+ is worth 3.33, a C+ is worth 2.33)</p>
<p>So basically, that 4.12 number you saw basically meant that those Berkeley prelaws who got into Stanford Law had grades that averaged between A and A+.</p>
<p>So tell me again how a 3.98 really isn't THAT high?</p>
<p>What happens if the school doesn't display GPA with the +=.33? Texas A&M only computes GPAs soley on the 4.0 system, no pluses or minuses.</p>
<p>Then your top GPA that you can report to law schools is 4.0 </p>
<p>If you feel that's unfair, hey, you have good company. MIT also doesn't report plus-grades (or minus-grades).</p>
<p>You said a 3.98 was out of 4. And I said it wasn't THAT high. And it isn't, so there you go.</p>
<p>So...</p>
<p>Are you all saying it will not matter if I attend A & M or UT? </p>
<p>I've never seen any applicants from A & M get into Yale Law...so is that an advantage or disadvantage?</p>
<p>On this website, I dont see A & M listed...</p>
<p>Does that mean that Texas A&M had no applicants?</p>
<p>If I remember correctly, I think the PDF was about Yale undergrads applying to other LSs and YLS.</p>
<p>Glucose101, that link is exactly whta emsibdn said it is - it has to do with Yale prelaws (meaning Yale undergraduates) who then apply to law school. </p>
<p>I can't find the prelaw admissions data for A&M or UTAustin, so I put up the Yale prelaw data instead. It just shows you the kind of numbers that Yale undergraduates need in order to get into top-tier law schools. For example, 19% of Yale undergraduates who applied to Yale Law were admitted, and the average Yale undergraduate who was then admitted to Yale Law had a GPA of 3.83 and an LSAT score of 172. 27% of Yale undergraduates who applied to Harvard Law were admitted, and they had an average GPA of 3.82 and and an average LSAT of 170. Since you're going to TexasA&M and not Yale, obviously the numbers don't directly apply to you, but they are useful as a marker. </p>
<p>Basically, the data indicates the chances of somebody who attends a very highly ranked undergraduate program to get into a top-tier law school, and what kind of numbers it takes for them. From that, it gives you some idea of what you will need and what the odds are for you.</p>