<p>sweetney, thats true in socal of course there are ucla grads along with usc grads everywhere. however, usc has a cultural connection that ucla lacks. its the trojan family and the feeling of belonging which allows usc's alumni to help each other out. you hear trojan family almost everywhere you go. how many times do you hear about the bruin family. ucla is just another state school. its grads dont care about each other nearly as much as usc grads do amongst themselves.</p>
<p>I have never heard anybody talk about the trojan family or the bruin family and I was born and raised here. Honestly if anything there is a stigma that goes with being a USC grad. (University of spoiled children). This does not make it true but if you want to know what I have heard and seen that is it. UCLA grads have been seen as more respected and reliable in the places I have worked. Of course this is only my experience and not true for every graduate from these schools. I think it is interesting that you speak on behalf of every employer in socal. Honestly the reason there is so much rivalry between the two is because they are in the same boat. Nobody is going to be passed on for a job because they went to either of these schools over the other.</p>
<p>USC is known amongst all colleges as having one of the best networks of alumni in the nation. </p>
<p>The Spoiled Children legend is an old legacy before USC's rise in the ranks...and old legends die hard, unfortunately.</p>
<p>1/4th of USC's enrollment is culled from the bottom 30% of income in this country. Sure sounds spoiled to me.</p>
<p>Like I said it is not true for everyone at these schools. I was responding to this comment "you hear trojan family almost everywhere you go". I do not hear that...what I hear is what I mentioned above. I acknowledged that this does not make it true for everyone. Unfortunately I have met some bad eggs from that school I guess (and so have many other people). In any case I am not going to argue about which school is better when they are so comparable to each other.</p>
<p>Okay, here's how i see it, USC and UCLA are very similar in that they both offer great education and they both have good sports teams. They both have A LOT of school spirit and have similar student bodies (academically speaking). Overall, i'd have to give UCLA the edge on academics however USC dominates in some areas such as film. The thing that separates USC from UCLA is really the family aspect of the whole school. It may sound stupid but after talking to the various admissions officers I got a feeling that USC actually cared about you. You weren't just some number to them. When I was applying for a transfer my friend, a UCLA alumni, told me to apply to USC. At the time, I didn't even think about going to USC as i thought it was way too expensive and out of my reach. However, he told me that they gave great financial aid (which they did). He also pointed out the fact USC had one of the best undergraduate business schools in the nation and the trojan network is second to none in southern california. After hearing all that i did more research on my own. I checked out their campus and their career center. I loved the campus, good lucking students, beautiful buildings, an atmosphere that just made me want to attend. Granted, the area around USC does suck, Westwood is inifitely better (spent last weekend there). The career center is truly well connected. They have free vault guides and they have a program where you can actually get a mentor that is an alumni in the field that you want to work in. What career center do you know offers all that? In addition, my friends in USC receives regular emails about attending meet and greets etc.. </p>
<p>after all that, i was truly impressed with USC, but it gets even better. My friend, an incomming freshman in college was rejected from USC. However, since his father is an alumni he is considered part of the trojan family and got a letter telling him he was basically in at USC if he maintained a certain GPA after his first year of college. Now tell me, would UCLA do that for your family? You know what they say, you're a bruin for 4 but a trojan for life.</p>
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<p>Lol if anything that just makes USC look like a lesser school. Accepting students that shouldn't have been accepted in the first place, but because their dad or mom went there they get special "privaleges" over other students. You're right UCLA wouldn't do that. Because they don't believe that a student should have priority admission just because their parents went to the school. The student has to perform just as well as everyone else in order to get in.</p>
<p>so you think less of ivy's and other prestigious private college such as u. of chicago because they take legacy, AA and athletics into consideration?
and ucla wouldn't do it beecause its a public institution serving california citizens. That is why community colleges get priority over intercampus and other four year institution.</p>
<p>a person with a 3.6 from a community college has a greater chance of being admitted than a person with a 3.6 from berkeley. Does that make sense?
not at all, but i don't knock UCLA down for that because it is their goal to help out the community colleges. </p>
<p>it is in USC's best interest to foster a family relationship and serve its alumni</p>
<p>hobo, very well said. i am impressed.</p>
<p>USC!!!</p>
<p>also, i'd like to add my friend's gurantee letter stated that he had to maintain at least a 3.4 gpa, which is a respectable gpa in any college.</p>
<p>I actually do disagree with the legacy issue with private universities. One can argue with the AA/athletic subject, as there are good reasons for either side. But I just don't understand why a student should be privaleged just because his or her dad or mom attended the school. But I guess thats the USC "family tree" or whatever they call it. Don't get me wrong I love the school and program they have, but the legacy issue as well as how that is used in other private universities is unfair. If my dad is currently the CEO of a big company and he himself attended USC, I don't think that reason alone should give me a better shot at getting in. But as they say... the rich get richer.</p>
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<p>but, for the CCC transfers, isn't USC still easier to get into than UCLA?</p>
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<p>I wouldn't say that... a person with a 3.6 from CC looking to transfer to USC would be chosen over a 3.6 from berkeley? I honestly can say both students will get in. Who cares which one they would "prefer", all that matters is if they got in or not. And I can pretty much be certain that if you have a 3.6 from the #1 Rated public University that USC will most certainly take you in as a transfer.</p>
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<p>Yes, USC is easier to get into. One can say how competative the Marshall school of business is to get in... but then again getting into Business Econ or just regular Econ at UCLA is even harder to get into. So overall, UCLA is harder to get into.</p>
<p>umm. i mean its easier to get into UCLA as a community college student, not USC. USC certainly takes the school you're transfering from into consideration.</p>
<p>and for admissions, it really depends on the major.</p>
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<p>Uhhh I don't think so. It's harder to get into UCLA than USC from a CCC. Even impacted majors at USC such as business only require a 3.6 (which is very easy since the classes you have to take are actually easier than Cal state requirments ie. business calculus instead of a year of real calculus, so a 3.6 with easy classes is not hard at all). Film and engineering are the exceptions. They are hard to get into... but have you seen the statistics for UCLA engineering students who are admitted? You need a 3.8+ with taking hard math/science courses to have a shot at UCLA. USC is definitly easier to get into engineering than UCLA... no question about that. That leaves film... well I'll admit USC has a stellar film school so thats the only exception. Again I fail to understand why you think USC is harder to get into from CCC?</p>
<p>"Even impacted majors at USC such as business only require a 3.6 "</p>
<p>I dont think so. I visited the counselor of Marshall Business School, and she told me that average GPA for the admitted Business major students was 3.75.</p>
<p>" 3.6 with easy classes is not hard at all"</p>
<p>Exactly. And if you get a 3.6 with easy classes, USC doesn't accept you. That's why they also look at the INTENSITY OF THE COURSES, not just the GPA.</p>
<p>"Again I fail to understand why you think USC is harder to get into from CCC?"</p>
<p>Keyword: TAP</p>
<p>You have NO IDEA how much advantage the TAP can have on your admission to the school it's associsated with. btw, TAP = Transfer Alliance Program. It allows you to have a priority consideration for admission to the school it has alliance with. and UCLA has those alliance with most CCCs. </p>
<p>Consider this:</p>
<p>Order of priority of consideration for Admission to UCLA:</p>
<p>1) Students in TAP (all community college students)
2) Community college Students not in TAP
3) Other California state colleges (incl. CSUs and UCs)
4) Out-of-State students</p>
<p>USC doesn't have those with ANY schools.
Plus, when you apply to USC as transfer, you are competing against people from ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, and you don't get priority consideration for being an in-state.</p>
<p>UCLA = LOT easier to transfer for CC students.</p>
<p>I don't know how any of you can say USC has better looking girls, because, clearly, the estrogen flows right out of the center of UCLA. I mean, just look at it's campus, the thing is shaped like a uterus.</p>
<p>BTW, I'm just kidding...don't kill me.</p>
<p>lol good stuff.</p>
<p>I love how you act like you designed the TAP program with CCC for UCLA. I do know what that is and do know quite a bit about it. The fact is it doesn't help THAT MUCH as you love to say it does. It only helps you if you are borderline and basically gives you a boost. If you have a good GPA... TAP really doesn't help at all. Also what's this about you saying taking easy classes with a high gpa for USC won't get you in? If you satisfied the major prep courses, and accumulated 60 units with a high gpa you will get in. Yes they look at which courses you take, but if you satisfied all the requirements there is no reason why they should look down on you. And if you look at the types of courses for each GE section for USC, you notice they vary a lot. (Example you could take Chem 1A which is a hard class, or you could take an introduction to Earth Science course which is way easier). Guess what? BOTH courses fulfil the requirement so as long as you take one of them, you satisfy it. And I don't know about you, but getting an A in the easier Earth science class vs. a B in general chemistry looks better even though everyone knows gen. chem is way harder.</p>
<p>dude. Just because you complete the required courses doesn't mean you are gonna get in. USC EXPECTS average applicants to have their required courses completed, so getting your required courses done means NOTHING. It just means you are eligible to apply.</p>
<p>"Also what's this about you saying taking easy classes with a high gpa for USC won't get you in?"</p>
<p>it's not just me. Ask anyone with common sense. They'll be saying the same thing.</p>
<p>"but if you satisfied all the requirements there is no reason why they should look down on you"</p>
<p>oh ok, so if someone majoring in Business completes his requirement (Calc. I, Macro-, Micro-Economics, Writing) and his GE, he is guaranteed to get in?</p>
<p>"BOTH courses fulfil the requirement so as long as you take one of them, you satisfy it. "</p>
<p>Same for UCLA.</p>
<p>"And I don't know about you, but getting an A in the easier Earth science class vs. a B in general chemistry looks better even though everyone knows gen. chem is way harder."</p>
<p>Yes, so naturally, USC will look for someone who chose the harder course (which in this case is the chemistry) and prefer him over someone who chose the easier course (and lets assume both got A's on their course). Both got their category of GE completed, but one gets the spot, the other one doesnt.</p>
<p>Saying that getting into USC is easier because their courses are easier is completely ignorant.</p>