Transferring to MSU from LCC?

<p>EDIT: I know I wrote a lot. Sorry. Just wanted to make sure all necessary information (and then some) was included. </p>

<p>Unfortunately, I was rejected by Michigan State University my first time applying as a Senior in the fall of 2010. I wasn't exactly surprised, given that my GPA at that point was likely below a 2.5, and my ACT scores, while above-average, were nothing exceptional. Due to my rejection, I'm now being forced to attend Lansing Community College - after two semesters there, I hope to be able to transfer to State. </p>

<p>My only worry is that, in recent years, both acceptance rates for potential freshman and for transfer students have been going down. Since I'm planning to submit a transfer application after only two semesters, my high school grades and standardized test scores would still be taken into account. </p>

<p>When I graduated from the public school I had attended, my GPA was only slightly over 2.8. I had failed four out of five classes the final trimester of my junior year, including AP English 11. I skipped about 40 days in that single period, which I'm guessing would probably show up upon my transcripts. </p>

<p>My senior year wasn't that bad. I got all A's without effort my first trimester, all A's and a B+ (in physics, and the B+ was hardly my fault - my teacher failed one of my tests because I brought it out of the classroom. I didn't know it was against the rules to do so, so my 110% on the test went down to 55%, wrecking my overall grade, which at the time was exceeding 100%), and mixed grades my final trimester. I believe I had two A's, two B's, and a C+, but I can't remember correctly. </p>

<p>The poor grades had little to do with inability, and much to do with lack of inspiration and extracurricular "distractions" (i.e., girls, going to college classes instead of high school ones, skating, etc). Though I shall not portend that community college will be easy, I don't see why I shouldn't be able to keep my GPA over a 3.5. </p>

<p>If I were to attempt to transfer to MSU with a GPA between 3.5 and 4.0, would I have a relatively good chance of gaining admission to the university? I'm considering retaking the ACT. Here were my scores:</p>

<p>English: 33
Reading: 35
Science: 24
Mathematics: 19
Writing: 8 (didn't finish essay)</p>

<p>Composite: 28 </p>

<p>As you can see, they were slightly unbalanced, to say the least. I'm positive I could get over a 30 on a retest, as I originally took the ACT with no preparation whatsoever. I hadn't been paying attention in math class, and that fact has been reflected in my test scores and in my math enrollment for the upcoming year (I have to start off in Introductory Algebra; won't be able to do College Math at LCC in a year, but will fulfill the requirement for Intermediate Algebra, which is the minimum asked by MSU). My counselor, who liked me and thought I was smart, let me waive some requirements for high school physics, and I did better in that class than my friend who got a 35 on the math portion of the ACT. </p>

<p>If I were to keep my ACT scores, high school GPA (obviously), and maintain high grades at LCC for the entirety of next year, what do you think my chances of acceptance would be for Fall 2012? </p>

<p>List of academic variables that could come into play: </p>

<ul>
<li>High school GPA (2.856)</li>
<li>Community college GPA (between 3.5 and 4.0) </li>
<li>ACT scores (28 composite; could retake) </li>
<li>Only taking Intermediate Algebra instead of College Math (due to my intended math-related major, I want to take the College Math / Trigonometry combo they have at MSU to get myself into Calculus ASAP; contrary to ACT scores, I'm actually good at it) </li>
</ul>

<p>Extracurricular variables: </p>

<ul>
<li>Currently employed </li>
<li>> 300 hours of volunteering at Sparrow </li>
<li>Sports (figure skating, fencing) </li>
</ul>

<p>Having volunteered at Sparrow for an extended period of time, I was told by a staff member in my department that I could take to Service Learning's coordinator and probably become a "student leader". On a similar note, there's also a good chance that I might have my resume circulated at MSU by a professor to see if I can get a research job with Physics or Neuroscience. </p>

<p>On the downside, I do have two felony juvenile adjudications on my record, and they will not be removed until I'm 30. Fingerprints will stay with the FBI permanently. I was told that the adjudications probably wouldn't have too big of an impact on my application, but if anybody knows more, please tell me. That all happened almost four years ago (slightly less than a quarter of my lifetime), and I'll have been off probation for several years once I submit my transfer application in Spring. </p>

<p>What do you guys think? I'm really sorry for writing an essay, but I wanted to make sure nothing was left out. Is there anything more I can do to boost my chances? If everything goes well and I continue to trend upwards, should I have a pretty good shot? </p>

<p>I was thinking of throwing in an app to UChicago, but that seems like a pipedream. I've already screwed up my life enough times, and I've grown up living near and loving Michigan State. I want to double-major in physics and psychology (pre-med, but I want to try subjects that interest me instead of doing a cookie-cutter human bio major), and State has one of the best physics programs in the country.</p>

<p>I really want to make this happen. =\ If I have to go to LCC more than two semesters, I will, but I'd prefer not to.</p>

<p>EDIT: </p>

<ul>
<li><p>Figured this section would be better than "Transfers", due to the specificity of the thread (correct me if wrong) </p></li>
<li><p>Took two AP tests (AP Eng 11 and AP Gov and Pol), passed two AP tests</p></li>
</ul>

<p>I only had time to skim through your post right now, but I already see one problem: I’m pretty sure they don’t even look at transfer students’ ACT scores, so I think retaking it wouldn’t be worth it. I’ll read your post more thoroughly later.</p>

<p>Thanks for responding - Michigan State University does take the high school GPAs and ACT scores of transfer students into account if the transfer students in question have not yet completed 28 or more transferable credits at the time they submit their application. I’ll be submitting mine in February, after having completed 16 credits (with presumably another 16 following, including the math requirement). If I were to put in application after spring semester, then the two aforementioned features would not be taken into consideration.</p>

<p>The only downside to that is then I wouldn’t be eligible to enroll at MSU until Spring of 2013.</p>

<p>Dude, one of my best friends had a 2.9 high school gpa and transfered into MSU (he had a 21 ACT). But he had a 3.9 GPA at Western Michigan for the 1st year, so that’s why he got in for his sophomore year. You will be fine if your LCC gpa is good i.e. 3.5+. Apply after your first semester, if you get a good GPA in college courses even for a semester your high school gpa matters a lot less.</p>

<p>Time to get your priorities straight.</p>

<p>If you think you can get a better ACT, then by all means, go for it! 33 and 35 are REALLLY GOOD! That was almost a perfect score.</p>

<p>I would suggest going to a 4-year if you’re up to it. Wayne State, Eastern, Western, Oakland are quite open with their admissions. I’m positive you could get in with your 28 ACT. Get your priorities straight, get above a 3.4 after a year and I would think you would be a sure foot in the door at MSU. I would suggest applying after at least 1 semester’s grades have been posted. I think WSU’s admission is open until 1st week of August.</p>

<p>4-years allow you to take a Math placement test, if you studied hard enough, you COULD be taking College Algebra, Pre-calc or even Calc. </p>

<p>Even if you decided on a CC, get a 3.5 GPA after a year and that would almost be a sure foot in the door too.</p>

<p>For the UChicago, don’t throw it out. If you really want to get in, get as CLOSE as you can to a 4.0 at a 4 year and do it in the honors program at a 4-year. </p>

<p>I’m really impressed that you got 33 and 35 on your ACT. Bump those other scores up and I’m sure many selective 4 years will wipe that bad gpa record off. </p>

<p>This won’t come easy so time to dedicate some time to studying.</p>

<p>Thanks for the response; it was quite helpful. </p>

<p>I’ve already signed up for courses at LCC and have all of my financial aid going through them. While I suppose it might be feasible to throw in a last-minute app to a 4-year university, I don’t know if that would be a good idea from a financial perspective. Neither my mom nor my dad are helping me with any college expenses, and I’ll be totally reliant upon my Stafford Loan and grants for this coming year - I don’t know if I could afford the cost of dorms or a shared apartment without using private loans.</p>

<p>It sort of sucks, but I’ll certainly be having to get student loans from private financial institutions once I start attending MSU. My dad would probably be willing to cosign a loan, so I’d be graduating with between $15,000 and $25,000 in accumulated debt, depending on how many credits I take per semester and if I choose to take advantage of summer classes or not (which, as a double major, I probably will). I figure it won’t be the end of the world since I’ll have to do the same attending medical or graduate school (or both) anyway. </p>

<p>If everything goes well at MSU my sophomore year, I might try to get into the University of Chicago after retaking the ACT (I don’t think I will this year, since 28 is already in the upper-end at MSU, even though they only look at the composite). I was bombarded with mail from them my senior year, and fell in love with the school fairly quickly. I’ve only been on campus briefly, and while I’ll always have State in my heart, I can’t say I’d mind relocating to Chicago, so long as I could afford everything. </p>

<p>And you’re definitely right about priorities. I wish I’d had the perspective I have now when I was younger - there would be no stupid felony adjudications, poor grades, or wild absences. Those four years of high school didn’t go by quickly, but who knows? Maybe I could have gotten into an Ivy League with the better ACT scores that would have accompanied me actually going to my math and science classes. </p>

<p>I won’t blame my problems and my decision on anybody else, but I truly, truly wish that I’d known that it’s okay to be somewhat of a nerd.</p>