<p>hey guys quick question,
my friend is trying to switch cc just so he can "start off fresh" cause he has tons of fails and w's. Wont the UC know that he went to another cc or isnt telling the truth about his grades during application? or do ppl really just switch to another cc when they mess up?</p>
<p>I have a friend who said she is thinking of doing this. 
My advice is: Don’t do it. I don’t know the specifics (one of the many helpful people here on CC will probably know) but I would assume it would be a matter of the univ. simply searching your name/ Social security #, etc. to find your academic record. It would be academic dishonesty, to leave out relevant information such as records at another cc. The repercussions on your academic career would be massive if you were ever found out. Definitely, definitely not worth it!</p>
<p>Btw, he does have the option of retaking those failed classes and replacing those grades. He would have a good shot at many UCs with an upward trend.</p>
<p>Don’t. Do. It.</p>
<p>Yes, UCs can and will search to see if he ever attended another college. If he’s found to have lied on his application, he’ll most likely be terminated from the University, even if he’s already been admitted, taken courses, etc.</p>
<p>i knew there had to be a way they could find out, he told me that UC could only find were youve gone if you collected finaid which he hasnt. I knew it wasnt the smartest idea but it seems like alot of people are trying to do this now that things have gotten more competitive. so you think then all the UC, cal states, and colleges communicate back and forth to each other, or use some sort of database?</p>
<p>No, they definitely do not share a database. Even separate UC campuses don’t seem to share databases for the majority of their information.</p>
<p>That being said, there are many occasions during which information might be verified or checked by the institution, which would provide an opportunity for your friend’s missing transcript to be discovered. He could end up finishing his degree at UC and then some time later being discovered, at which point it seems likely he could lose his degree. Of course, his student loan debt wouldn’t be forgiven, so that could be fairly disastrous.</p>
<p>UCs like to see strong upward trends. If your friend is serious about putting in the work to improve his grades, he shouldn’t hide his past. If he’s just trying to find an easy way out of the black marks he has earned, it’s likely that he’s not prepared to succeed at the new college, either.</p>
<p>It would work all you need to sign up for cc is proof of high school graduation among other various forms of verification. There is no database that colleges share grades with. Why do you think they need you transcript? Its a college not FBI. No one can access your grades outside of the college you attend without your permission. Not even your mother or father</p>
<p>It is also easy to have grades lined out or a transcript refreshed at a CCC. Tell them to retake the courses they’ve failed/gotten a D in and then they can bring their new transcripts back to the old school. Doing this will not only increase their old school’s GPA, but since they already plan on attending (and excelling) at a new CC, this is so simple and it’ll only take an hour or so of their time. From years ago, I have a ton of Ws and I have an F & a D that I couldn’t make up because of the classes not being offered. Granted, I’ve spent the last 3 years with a 3.8x, but I have never once been rejected from anywhere due to those old poor grades. Academic renewal is really beneficial if your friend can sincerely turn it around but they need to be dedicated to making it work. It’s really easy to slip into a lazy academic pathway and not be able to get themselves out. </p>
<p>Lying to a school isn’t worth it. If a UC were to find out 20 years from now about them not supplying a transcript, they would DEFINITELY STILL revoke that person’s degree which could cause them to lose a job among other things. Universities understand that sometimes people just have a bad year. We’re only human. As long as people can show a sincere turnaround, they should have no problem.</p>
<p>There is indeed a database where all college share enrollment information - though grades are not included.</p>
<p>You must submit transcripts for all college work attempted when you apply to a college or university - including community colleges. Besides the fact that you will sign a statement saying that you have submitted all transcripts, they will enter your information into the [National</a> Student Clearinghouse: Degree verification & enrollment verification](<a href=“http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/]National”>http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/) which will give them a semester-by-semester listing of all your college enrollments. Grades will not be included, but the school you applied to will request from you transcripts from all colleges listed on your record. If you do not provide them, your application will not go forward.</p>
<p>It would be worth the nominal charge to enter your information and see what the colleges will see before you attempt to lie on your applications. It will not take them 20 years to find out - you will simply not be accepted if you do not submit the transcripts for enrollments they will see on your record.</p>
<p>*This is not a “financial aid” dependent database. All enrollments show up, even if you withdrew, received incompletes or were academically disqualified and asked to leave.</p>
<p>They’ve stated that any academic dishonesty is grounds for being permanently terminated from the entire UC system. That being said, yes they could potentially do that without a UC finding out but what if the rules change 5 years from now and there is a flow of information in statewide universities? Perhaps the new UC app will automatically update class grades for you in time. It’s really not worth it. Plus, this situation kind of ****es me off. If someone did poorly, they should own up to it and show that they can improve, not try to get ahead by cheating the system.</p>
<p>@alamemom I actually know of 2 people who failed to provide transcripts when they applied to private OOS schools and they never encountered a problem with it. You’re probably right that the UC system would use this to check, though. Thanks for providing a link!</p>
<p>Unaccredited colleges and technical colleges won’t check the database - they will just accept the money from the student. Every single UC and Cal State is a member of the clearinghouse and will check (ethics-challenged posters considering lying on applications should check the member listing if they doubt me 
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<p>Also, many schools will not check at application time - they will admit the student and then do the check only on those who accept the offer of admission. If it is a large school, the student may have already started classes (and paid tuition) by the time the omission is discovered.</p>
<p>my friend’s brother did this a while back…he had 8 Ws and i think 4 Fs. He went to a different community college and only sent the transcript for the new CC. They haven’t even found out yet. I would assume they do random checks, but not on everyone. He’s on his last quarter…so i guess if he graduates then they can’t really do anything, right?</p>
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Yes, they can revoke his degree at any time - even years after it is awarded. Please note that employers use the Clearinghouse to verify degrees as well as colleges and universities.</p>
<p>thanks for all the replies, ive been trying my friend this but he seems to think itll be okay. I know they dont run everyone through the clearinghouse but i dont get why the UC just dont do it. It wouldnt be hard for them run their accepted students through the clearinghouse but its probably a cost issue.
is it possible that grad/professional schools look a little closer at applicants to combat fraud?</p>
<p>This may be a bit off-topic but still relevant to this thread. I have a disciplinary suspension on my record (for something stupid… alcohol-related) at a private university I attended last year; I am now at a CCC (parents couldn’t continue to afford the private tuition) and will be applying to UCs this fall. </p>
<p>I will definitely be disclosing the suspension (probably in the Additional Comments section) so they won’t have any unpleasant surprises when I send in my official transcript. </p>
<p>My question is, should I go into detail and elaborate on what happened or just briefly mention it? And has anyone heard of UCs contacting other institutions to verify the reason for a disciplinary suspension?</p>
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They’ll email you if they want to know more about it. For now just put in that you were suspended.</p>
<p>I guess.</p>
<p>It’s more important to talk about your accomplishments than about your past mistakes. Definitely mention it, but be brief. It’s hard to say what the right balance is so you should definitely get this essay read by counselors and teachers who can better advise you about whether you spent too much or too little time on the subject.</p>
<p>I had a disciplinary probation thing for drinking in a dorm room lol. I just checked my transcript and the only thing it says regarding that is “student in good standing unless otherwise noted”. It wasn’t noted anywhere else. I know that my school in particular only lists academic probation issues (cheating, under 2.0, etc) on their transcripts and ones related to your personal business (getting in trouble in dorms) aren’t included.</p>
<p>The UC application only asks about academic probation.</p>
<p>"Academic probation: Yes</p>
<p>Academic probation at any school other than a University of California Campus: Yes, list school" </p>
<p>I don’t see any place on the application where it asks for any other information?</p>
<p>In 2002, I left SJSU on academic probation. I’ve had to forward my transcript to every school I’ve applied to since. In my grad school application statement, I never even explained why my grades were what they were. Instead, I made my main focus my work experience, and my military service. I talked a little about my academics, but only to such an extent to let the reader know what type of subjects I’m interested in. If you have to explain it, be brief, but DON’T withhold any of your grades from any college you’re applying to.</p>
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<p>That’s a good point. Only thing that worries me, though, is not mentioning the disciplinary suspension at all, then they see it on my official transcript when I send it in, and then they think, “Okay, this kid was trying to hide it,” even though the application clearly does not specifically ask, and the Additional Comments section is optional.</p>
<p>I obviously don’t want to put a big fat blemish on my transfer application if it isn’t necessary/asked for. However, at the same time, I also don’t want to avoid disclosing the suspension and then risk getting my admission potentially revoked because of a seemingly “intentional omission.”</p>
<p>What do you guys think I should do?</p>