Tufts #45 as Feeder School

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<p>OK, I found the link. I was wrong however in stating that the rankings were based on sheer number rather than percentage.</p>

<p>Nonetheless, Tufts is #45</p>

<p><a href="http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/pdfs/wsj_college_092503.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/pdfs/wsj_college_092503.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Thoughts? I know you guys are going to find some way to debunk this list but the numbers speak for themselves.</p>

<p>All I ask is that if you're a middle class student looking at Tufts is this really the best deal? Paying in upwards of $40,000 for a school that isn't even in the top 40? You're free to decide because only you can make that decision :)</p>

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<p>The WSJ list is biased towards schools with undergraduate and/or graduate business schools/programs. If you were to look at a list of top schools in the non-profit sector, or in politics, Tufts would be higher. That's the focus here. That being said, look at all the financial/business stars who are Tufts alums (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tufts_University_people#Entrepreneurs_and_business_leaders)%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tufts_University_people#Entrepreneurs_and_business_leaders)&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p>

<p>They include:</p>

<h1>Dov Charney (did not finish), CEO and founder of LA-based clothing company American Apparel</h1>

<h1>Jamie Dimon, CEO of JP Morgan Chase corporation</h1>

<h1>Peter R. Dolan, CEO Bristol-Myers Squibb</h1>

<h1>Andrew Duff, CEO Piper Jaffray</h1>

<h1>Nate Gantcher, Vice Chairman, Goldman Sachs</h1>

<h1>Richard Hill, retired chairman Fleet Bank Boston</h1>

<h1>Bob Hormats, Vice Chairman, Goldman Sachs</h1>

<h1>Meg Hourihan, co-founder of Pyra Labs, creators of Blogger</h1>

<h1>Mike McConnell, CEO Brown Brothers Harriman</h1>

<h1>Harold McGraw, III, Chairman, President, and CEO of The McGraw-Hill Companies</h1>

<h1>Pamela McNamara, CEO, Arthur Little</h1>

<h1>Joseph Neubauer, CEO Aramark Corporation</h1>

<h1>Pierre and Pamela Omidyar, billionaire founders of eBay</h1>

<h1>Shari Redstone, vice chairman of Viacom Inc.</h1>

<h1>Neal Shapiro former president of NBC News</h1>

<h1>Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr., Publisher of New York Times</h1>

<h1>Peter Roth, President, Warner Brothers</h1>

<h1>Jonathan Tisch, chairman and CEO of Loews Hotels</h1>

<h1>Walter Wriston, retired chairman and CEO of Citicorp/Citibank from 1967 to 1984</h1>

<p>Just there you have the heads of the country's newspaper of record (NYT), the head and vice-heads of Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan... I think we're doing all right for ourselves considering.</p>

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<p>I should also note that as a senior, I've had several internships/fellowships and I've always gotten everything I've applied for. Many times I've been the only non-Yalie/Harvard intern there, but I think the fact that I was still there shows that employers know Tufts is still a good school.</p>

<p>It goes back to what I've already said on this forum before -- if you're motivated, smart, and hard-working, you can get anywhere. Regardless if you're a top student at Harvard, Tufts, or the UMississippi. It's all about what you make of your education. If you're a sub-par student at Harvard, Tufts, or Ol' Miss, you won't get anything. You should ask my ex-boyfriend who graduated from Harvard last year with a 3.0 and is living with his parents. (Smart guy, just unmotivated.)</p>

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<p>I am a middle class parent of a freshman at Tufts. I don't know why there is such a trend to bash Tufts here. Any college is what you make of it. For him Tufts is great. My son is enjoying small classes, has contact with professors, has made great friends with similar interests, has opportunities to go into Boston and hopes to play a D3 sport with a fantastic coaching staff. Regardless of the smear that goes on here, his choice to attend Tufts was based on many hours of research and conversations with people having academic credentials.</p>

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<p>Hear, hear!</p>

<p>Glad to hear your son is having a great time. I'm in my last and fourth year at Tufts, and can't believe I won't be on the Hill for much longer! My time has been rich in many ways.</p>

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<p>Who's "bashing Tufts?"</p>

<p>Wow, how Tufts people have come to be so touchy about this schools suppossed "prestige" I'll never know. Really, if you can't cope with the fact that it's not a school known for producing students in the top grad programs than sorry for you.</p>

<p>No one is saying that it's not a good school, but really I don't think it's reasonable to pay $40,000 a year for a school which likely isn't going to get me into a top grad program.</p>

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<p>It will if you're a good student. If you're just average, then no. That's definitely true. But that's true if you graduate as an average student most anywhere if you don't have connections of some sort.</p>

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<p>S'what I'm saying though. If you're that good of a student you're going to feel intellectually superior to most people at Tufts anyway...not sure how that is of any benefit to said person.</p>

<p>In addition to that why not go to a state schools honors college and get the education for free instead of paying $40,000 for it since the Tufts name doesn't seem to mean all that much in admission to elite graduate schools?</p>

<p>The point is not to bash Tufts because you can get a good education here. The point is providing people looking at Tufts with the reality that the Tufts name isn't going to get them anything later on down the road</p>

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<p>rightbackatyou why didn't you post your question to Reed College rated #50 in your survey from 2003?</p>

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<p>Look, you can try and ad hominem the evidence all you want, unfortunately for you it's not going to make it any less true. Again, Tufts clearly, according to the numbers, is not an elite school when it comes to producing graduates that jump into the top programs in the country. To be unable to cope with this fact suggests a lunacy that humankind has yet to encounter. </p>

<p>Your son doesn't attend an elite school...Deal with it.</p>

<p>As for Reed I don't attend Reed College. I don't have experience with the quality of education there and I don't pay tuition there. I do however, attend and pay tuition at Tufts so I'm more than qualified even by the biased criteria of the members of this board to comment on it's credentials as a university. </p>

<p>I'm telling you, from my experience Tufts is not a $40,000 a year school. The numbers only prove that.</p>

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<p>I agree that $40,000 is ludicrous. That being said, all private schools in America are in that range. If that's what it costs to go to a private institution, then that's what it costs to go to Tufts. I'm sorry you don't think your education has been at all worth it. That being the case, then definitely go somewhere else and be happy.</p>

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<p>No, $40,000 would be worth it if the school was known for producing many students that went on to go to the top grad schools in the country. I'd go to Harvard or maybe even Williams in a second for that price...</p>

<p>But when <2% of the graduating class is going on to elite graduate schools, sorry, that is most definately not worth $40,000 a year. That is absolutely rediculous as a matter of fact. </p>

<p>I'll go to the Honors College at my state school and get that completely for free thank you, except better :D</p>

<p>I think undoubtably Harvard is worth the price. Williams is worth the price. At a Bowdoin or Georgetown you might have reason to begin to question whether the price is worth it. At Tufts you can conclude with metaphysical certitude that the school is simply not even close to being worth $40,000 a year.</p>

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<p>rightbackatyou<br>
why did you enroll if you do not think it is worth the tutition which, unfortunately, is consistant with most private colleges elite or not? You can transfer out, too, if you are not happy with the school. </p>

<p>Many years ago when I think back about my college days I transferred after my freshman year because I thought I didn't like the school. In hindsight my problem was not really with that school but the combination of bad luck with roommates and being homesick.</p>

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<p>Jaam123 - If you look at his previous posts you'll see that he does want to transfer out of Tufts. You'll also notice he was already a transfer TO Tufts, so this will be his second time around. Turns out he liked his original school better, or something</p>

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<p>Word, I am transferring. I've had some great experiences here but I'll tell you that this is definately not worth my $40,000.</p>

<p>I'm just trying to spread the word. I was young and stupid and didn't know what I know now and got drawn in by the Tufts name, although ironically it appears that name isn't worth all that much, lol.</p>

<p>Basically I'll be on this board for what I imagine will be at least a few years. I can't let folks make the same mistake I did...thank goodness I am mature enought at least to right my wrong.</p>

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<p>Rightbackatyou- I'm a transfer to Tufts from Georgetown. I disliked nearly everything about my experience at Gtown, but I don't go about the Gtown forum trashing the school and calling it unworthy of its cost. I understand that my personal experience was awful but that it is not for most people there. You should understand that it's the same thing for people at Tufts. I'm sorry that you haven't liked Tufts as much as I have. And I hope you'll be happy wherever you go next.</p>

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<p>"Your son doesn't attend an elite school...Deal with it"</p>

<p>attending here or not, you obviously are a little out of it. We've been "elite" for a while now - go take a look at our admit rate, or the kinds of students Tufts has.</p>

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<p>LOL, no sorry we're definately not 'elite.' 45th in terms of students going on to top professional programs is not what I'd call elite. 27th in National Universities, not even in the top 30 if you count Liberal Arts Colleges is not 'elite.'</p>

<p>Really only a handfull of schools can be truly elite if the word is to have any meaning at all. Tufts is no doubt a great school but to call it 'elite' is simply inacurate. 27th, 30th, 45th...no, not elite, no matter how many times professors try and consol us by telling us that it is, lol.</p>

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<p>"Rightbackatyou- I'm a transfer to Tufts from Georgetown. I disliked nearly everything about my experience at Gtown, but I don't go about the Gtown forum trashing the school and calling it unworthy of its cost"</p>

<p>How am I bashing Tufts? Shoot, if it'll make you happy I'll just go ahead and say right now that every professor is amazing, the student body is the friendliest in the country and President Backow is a demi God, if not an actual God. Even if I were to make this dishonest assertion it would still not eliminate my doubts about it being a school that is worth $40,000 a year. You see where I'm going with this? </p>

<p>Anyways, G'Town might (stress, MIGHT) actually be worthy of it's costs. It's in the top 20 in terms of students who go on to the top professional schools so you could honestly at least make the case that G'Town might be worth the money. </p>

<p>Tufts is 45th...no, 45th in terms of students going on to top professional programs is undoubtably not worth that $40,000. Tufts simply isn't producing alot of people that go on to the top programs thus I don't know why you'd pay that type of money for a name that, when you look at the numbers, doesn't mean a whole lot, if anything.</p>

<p>You pay that type of money for an experience and an education that are going to put you above and beyond everyone else. 45th = not above and beyond everyone else.</p>

<p>I'm not worried about what you do on the Georgetown forums, you do you. If I'm correct I was under the assumption that this was supposed to be an informative forum, not a Tufts cheerleading forum. I'm merely suggesting to potential enrollees that Tufts is not worth any serious amount of money...crazy I know.</p>

<p>But really, how am I "BASHING" Tufts? Is suggesting you can get an equally good education at a state school honors program "bashing?" If that's what a Tufts student thinks constitutes "bashing" then you've proven my point more thoroughly than I could've ever have hoped to have done myself. Thank you.</p>

<p>It's obviously a great school and you can get a good education here. Geez, what more do you want me to say about it? I'm just saying that if money is any issue at all you'd be best served to look elsewhere, geez louise.</p>

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<p>rightbackatyou
Sorry I don't already know this but -
Where did you transfer from? How many semesters have you been at Tufts?</p>

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<p>80% of Tufts students go onto graduate education within 5 years. </p>

<p>"We focused on 15 elite schools, five each from medicine, law and business, to serve as our benchmark for profiling where the students came from. Opinions vary, of course, but our list reflects a consensus of grad-school deans we interviewed, top recruiters and published grad-school rankings (including the Journal's own MBA rankings). So for medicine, our schools were Columbia; Harvard; Johns Hopkins; the University of California, San Francisco; and Yale, while our MBA programs were Chicago; Dartmouth's Tuck School; Harvard; MIT's Sloan School; and Penn's Wharton School. In law, we looked at Chicago; Columbia; Harvard; Michigan; and Yale."
See, <a href="http://wsjclassroom.com/college/feederschools.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://wsjclassroom.com/college/feederschools.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>A lot of Tufts students go onto masters & Ph.D.s; even if you go to MIT for your engineering PhD, you don't count. (Incidentally, MIT appears to have done well only because it has an undergrad business programme and sends a lot of students to the top b-schools.) </p>

<p>I find it very amusing that they neglected Stanford Law (#2) and Stanford Business (also #2). Kellogg was not on the list for business. Law misses NYU.</p>

<p>Tufts does not have an undergraduate business major and doesn't attract many students who pursue that route. Again, our Ph.D.s don't get counted. Given the methodology of the survey, it also appears as if students who take more than a year or so off are not counted.</p>