Tufts Ranked Only #45 as a Feeder School

College Search & Selection
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<p>OK, I found the link. I was wrong however in stating that the rankings were based on sheer number rather than percentage.</p>

<p>Nonetheless, Tufts is #45</p>

<p><a href="http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/pdfs/wsj_college_092503.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/pdfs/wsj_college_092503.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Thoughts? I know you guys are going to find some way to debunk this list but the numbers speak for themselves.</p>

<p>All I ask is that if you're a middle class student looking at Tufts is this really the best deal? Paying in upwards of $40,000 for a school that isn't even in the top 40? You're free to decide because only you can make that decision :)</p>

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<p>The criteria for the survey was heavily flawed. I'm not a fan of Tufts but its a good school.</p>

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<p>What was flawed about it?</p>

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<p>The criteria isn't THAT flawed. The argument is that the WSJ favored the top east coast schools ignoring places like Stanford law school. Unfortunately Tufts IS an east coast school, so the argument doesn't hold at all. My guess is that there is more deflation at tufts than expected.</p>

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<p>Good point on only mentioning East Coast schools, guess that doesn't bode well for Tufts, lol.</p>

<p>Seriously, I don't know how flawed the criteria could be...Tufts clearly isn't putting very many folks into top grad programs especially when you consider the graduating class is 3, 4 times larger than those at Bowdoin, Bates, etc.</p>

<p>There is quite a bit of deflation at Tufts. I know, I go here, but am happy to announce I'll be transferring soon. Seriously, the education here is not worth $40,000 a year. Please.</p>

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<p>dude there are more than 15 elite grad school programs. Also I think a lot of Tufts IR majors go on to do masters programs in IR, which aren't mentioned anywhere in this survey.</p>

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<p>That being said, look at all the financial/business stars who are Tufts alums (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...iness_leaders)%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...iness_leaders)&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p>

<p>They include:</p>

<h1>Dov Charney (did not finish), CEO and founder of LA-based clothing company American Apparel</h1>

<h1>Jamie Dimon, CEO of JP Morgan Chase corporation</h1>

<h1>Peter R. Dolan, CEO Bristol-Myers Squibb</h1>

<h1>Andrew Duff, CEO Piper Jaffray</h1>

<h1>Nate Gantcher, Vice Chairman, Goldman Sachs</h1>

<h1>Richard Hill, retired chairman Fleet Bank Boston</h1>

<h1>Bob Hormats, Vice Chairman, Goldman Sachs</h1>

<h1>Meg Hourihan, co-founder of Pyra Labs, creators of Blogger</h1>

<h1>Mike McConnell, CEO Brown Brothers Harriman</h1>

<h1>Harold McGraw, III, Chairman, President, and CEO of The McGraw-Hill Companies</h1>

<h1>Pamela McNamara, CEO, Arthur Little</h1>

<h1>Joseph Neubauer, CEO Aramark Corporation</h1>

<h1>Pierre and Pamela Omidyar, billionaire founders of eBay</h1>

<h1>Shari Redstone, vice chairman of Viacom Inc.</h1>

<h1>Neal Shapiro former president of NBC News</h1>

<h1>Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr., Publisher of New York Times</h1>

<h1>Peter Roth, President, Warner Brothers</h1>

<h1>Jonathan Tisch, chairman and CEO of Loews Hotels</h1>

<h1>Walter Wriston, retired chairman and CEO of Citicorp/Citibank from 1967 to 1984</h1>

<p>Just there you have the heads of the country's newspaper of record (NYT), the head and vice-heads of Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan... I think we're doing all right for ourselves considering.</p>

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<p>I should also note that as a senior, I've had several internships/fellowships and I've always gotten everything I've applied for. Many times I've been the only non-Yalie/Harvard intern there, but I think the fact that I was still there shows that employers know Tufts is still a good school.</p>

<p>It goes back to what I've already said on this forum before -- if you're motivated, smart, and hard-working, you can get anywhere. Regardless if you're a top student at Harvard, Tufts, or the UMississippi. It's all about what you make of your education. If you're a sub-par student at Harvard, Tufts, or Ol' Miss, you won't get anything. You should ask my ex-boyfriend who graduated from Harvard last year with a 3.0 and is living with his parents. (Smart guy, just unmotivated.)</p>

<p>And yeah, I mean come on, who picks the TOP 15 Elite grad school programs? I bet they don't have UofIowa which has some of the top English and Medical programs in the country.</p>

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<p>
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Seriously, I don't know how flawed the criteria could be...Tufts clearly isn't putting very many folks into top grad programs especially when you consider the graduating class is 3, 4 times larger than those at Bowdoin, Bates, etc.

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Tsk, tsk. You're confusing graduate school and professional school, which are not at all the same thing. Reed ranks 50 on this list, but it sends more students to graduate school (proportionally) than almost any other college.</p>

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<p>Hey nobody is saying Tufts doesn't have some very successful individuals amongst its alumni...</p>

<p>The question is whether that <2% shot at a top professional (thanks warblersrule...I got a bit dissoriented in my ranting) is worth $40,000. I think it's pure lunacy to suggest that it is.</p>

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<p>What the article shows seems confusing. On the one hand, the top description says it gives the percentage of graduates a school sends to the 15 grad schools. That seems clear enough. But then the comments for a few of the listed schools mention "success" of placing graduates. I think the data say nothing about success. </p>

<p>For example, if five Reed graduates applied to these 15 schools, Reed's success rate would be 100%. Therefore, I think this list is not a ranking of quality or success; it's just a population table. It needs to show the number of applicants to be a meaningful ranking.</p>

<p>Am I missing something?</p>

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<p>If it showed the number of applicants is there any doubt that Tufts would be lower on the list? </p>

<p>How many people from Tuskalooza Tech apply to Harvard Law? What maybe 2 or 3 at the most...</p>

<p>Now how many Tufts students apply to Harvard Law? Dozens, easily. How many get in? Barely any.</p>

<p>You go to Tufts with the expectations that you'll have some hightened chance of success at the top professional programs in the country. This is the belief everyone that comes here has. Clearly however the Tufts name doesn't mean all that much especially when just by graduating class alone Tufts is going to have a volume of applicants to professional programs that far, FAR exceeds the number coming from Bowdoin for example.</p>

<p>And yet Bowdoin has almost the same number of folks going into the top 15 programs as does Tufts despite the fact that it's class size is 3 times smaller. Hmmmmmmm...</p>

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<p>People will say that it is biased towards the Northeast/Ivy schools, but Duke and Stanford are both top 10. People will say it only looks at 15 schools and this is too small a sample, but they don't provide evidence about enrollment about other top schools not included on the survey that contradict WSJ.</p>

<p>Basically, Tufts really just isn't that great for students wanting to go to elite professional schools.</p>

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<p>Its all about deflation and how hard a school is. Tufts and Bowdoin might be in the same category, but if the Tufts student works harder, gets a worse GPA, has less time for research, and has a harder time finding real professor interaction the Bowdoin student has an advantage. This is the same reason why Chicago, JHU, and a couple others in the top 20 do so much worse than their peers. </p>

<p>The best schools for placement are the undergraduate focused schools (professor interaction for recommendations), with grade inflation, and high selectivity (means the students will do well on tests). Look at the top 10 schools on the WSJ list, this applies to all of them.</p>

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<p>No surprises on that list. Tufts is a good school, but not one of the greats IMHO. Why did you decide to pay the $40,000 in the first place?</p>

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<p>I'm not sure what's so surprising about their ranking. They are 45th, and when you subtract out the 18 LACs that are ranked above them, they rank 27th among universities--exactly the same as their US News ranking.</p>

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<p>May I please protest again? The data presented is not a ranking. If 1,667 Harvard graduates applied to these 15 schools, their success rate would be 21%. If five Reed graduates applied, their success rate would be 100%. The data is meaningless without knowing how many applied.</p>

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<p>No kidding. Also, who decides which 15 elite schools to count? Also, this is only for professional schools NOT all graduate schools. This ranking is worse than USNWR.</p>

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<p>"May I please protest again? The data presented is not a ranking. If 1,667 Harvard graduates applied to these 15 schools, their success rate would be 21%. If five Reed graduates applied, their success rate would be 100%. The data is meaningless without knowing how many applied."</p>

<p>yep.</p>

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<p>Another confusing flaw, I think. (And correct me if I'm interpreting it incorrectly.) The ranking takes the percentage, where 100% is the graduating class that year, but it counts any alum ever (ie, not from that specific graduating class) and then calculates the percentage of people in those "top" 15 schools.</p>

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<p>i do think that the study was incredibly flawed, but particulary for schools not on the east coast</p>

<p>the fact that Tufts is not only an east coast, but is located within such a close proximity to so many of the schools used in the study is ample evidence showing that Tufts for whatever reason is not a great feeder</p>