<p>sorry for the double post.</p>
<p>Chances????</p>
<p>You don't need to be told how much it will cost? Some adults here who understand are trying to help you get realistic in time to consider your options. If your family has a $40K income and you are OOS, the only way you will attend these schools is with huge loans that could cripple your and your family's future. I know you don't want to hear it, but the facts will be apparent soon enough and perhaps if you understand now, there will be time to strategize for a happy outcome.</p>
<p>I wanted to circle back and clarify some thing not so much for the OP but for all. </p>
<p>Many kids on CC are applying to OOS public colleges without understanding how financial aid works. At some publics merit or need aid will be given to OOS students, but in many state systems like the UCs, all of the money goes to in state kids. Since the schools are funded by the state, tax payers in the states want the money going to their kids.</p>
<p>So the only aid available is federal. The maximum Pell Gant of $4700 and then loans and work study. Unless you're a very top student who can win the large outside scholarships, that leaves a big bill paying OOS rates at most state colleges. This is why the vast majority of OOS students at public colleges are those able to pay in full.</p>
<p>Im moving next month so I can begin to establish residency for tuition purposes.
I have planned this out 2 years in advance.
I know how difficult it is to achieve residency for tuition but I know what is needed and I will get it done.</p>
<p>Can you explain the process? Many, many people would like to know how that can be done. This will be in the archives with students reading for many years to come.</p>
<p>Yes, you can become a resident if your parent's also move to CA, but not in time for the school year that begins in the Fall.</p>
<p>I will be reaching for residency consideration for my sophomore year.
No parent is needed for residency.
I do not need to explain the process.
University</a> of California - Admissions</p>
<p>You clearly do not understand the process and don't seem to want to. Please take the time to figure this out so that you don't end up out of school with enormous debt like many others.</p>
<p>I'm sure you didn't even click on the link.
I know the process.
Now will you please kindly move along.
Your input is not longer wanted or needed here.
You should have better things to worry about.</p>
<p>Fire, what happens to you will happen. But for the sake of others, I'm hoping no one will believe your posts and believe they can do this. I've been observing the process for thirty years now and know how the UC system works. If kids could move to CA and gain residency, half the Country would be here.</p>
<p>Once you enter a UC or CSU as a non resident you stay that way. The exceptions would be if your parent's live and pay taxes in CA for one year, you get married and become independent and are in CA not going to school for one year or have a child and become independent (also need 1 year not going to school). Otherwise, you remain a resident of where your parent's live and pay taxes until you are 24.</p>
<p>The UCs and CSUs are in crisis now due to CA budget issues. They are taking fewer freshmen this year. While they are interested in full paying kids from OOS, the sad truth is that those who can not afford the schools will not be welcome.</p>
<p>I recommend that anyone inclined to believe this can be done use the search button above, the question and answer have been the subject of many threads.</p>
<p>I am sorry but you are wrong.
Each quarter there is a a residency determination date.</p>
<p>A student who has attended UC Irvine as a nonresident may * Petition for Resident Classification for any term for which he/she feels eligibility requirements will be met (see form for filing periods, submittal deadlines, and instructions). </p>
<p>Petition</a> for Resident Classification</p>
<p>It is the same for the other UC's</p>
<p>"And being a URM definitely helps." </p>
<p>class2009college; can you explain how? Most folks say not at UC, but I understand some folks say if you put it in your admissions essay it makes a difference. Is that what you mean? Didn't do much good for my D at UCLA. My son is next, so I was wondering.....</p>
<p>Fire, for someone planning this for two years, you don't seem to have done much research. The operative phrase there is "for which he/she feels residency requirements will be met." I outline UC residency requirements in post #30.</p>
<p>Residency requirements are right there for you to read on the website.
It is really not that difficult to comprehend.</p>
<p>OP; It hope you realize us grown ups, perhaps especially in California, and with kids trying to get into college, are a little sensitive about money right now. I, for one, pay a butt load of taxes, and whether were talking my state taxes, or my federal taxes, I can't help wondering why 40K of it should bring someone from out of state, and pay to take "my kids spot". People have been trying to work around this (, and the affirmative action thing) for a very longtime, and here you sound like you've got it all figured out! You mention an essay describing your experience with money problems, but to some it looks like there is still more to learn. When someone says something you don't want to hear, you say "go away" Well I hope it turns out well for you, but can you blame me for wondering why someone ( lets say our government ), might be willing to pay OOS tuition for UC Riverside ?</p>
<p>Fire, maybe you can get a teacher or trusted adult to go over it with you. You're not reading it correctly.</p>
<p>All you have to do is read it.
What can you do to establish residence?</p>
<ol>
<li><p>You should plan on remaining physically present in California for more than one year prior to the residence determination date of the term residence classification is requested. The residence determination date is the day instruction begins at the last University of California campus to open for the term (typically falling within the last week of September for the fall term at UCI). Short absences from California prior to fulfilling the more than one year duration of physical presence will not necessarily cause you to lose your residence; however, students who leave California during non-instructional periods, especially during the summer months, are presumed to be in California solely for educational purposes. A student must be able to overcome the presumption that his/her original presence was to establish eligibility for resident tuition.</p></li>
<li><p>You must demonstrate that your original presence in California has been consistent with the intent to reside indefinitely. Your intent to reside indefinitely is objectively manifested through the establishment of residential ties with the state of California.
IMPORTANT: For this reason, you should begin to establish residential ties with the state of California shortly after your arrival in California. Failure to establish residential ties with the state of California shortly after your arrival, or the maintenance of residential ties with a state other than California during any period for which you claim California residence, could cause the period of physical presence in California to be extended until you can demonstrate a concurrence of physical presence with the intent to reside indefinitely.</p>
<p>Residential ties may include but are not limited to:
1. California driver's license or California ID card
2. California vehicle registration
3. California voter registration
4. Using a California permanent address on all records - education, employment, taxes, etc.
5. Bank accounts opened in or transferred to California
6. Filing a California Resident or Part-Year Resident Income Tax Return.
7. Credit or memberships with California merchants or service providers. </p></li>
<li><p>You must meet the requirements or one of the exceptions to the requirement for Financial Independence. </p></li>
</ol>
<p>Then it gives you a link for financial independence.
You cant be claimed by your parents for two years prior to the residential determination date.
No loans that are co-signed or non institutional.
No living with relatives/friends for free.
No barter living arrangements.</p>
<p>Or other ways.</p>
<p>AGAIN.
You have the opportunity to petition EACH TERM.
What is so hard to understand about that.
If you qualify for residency for tuition purposes when you petition then you will be granted residency status for tuition purposes and pay In state tuition.</p>
<p>Show me where it does not say exactly that?</p>
<p>Last post on this thread. You are still not getting it. Those are the rules if you are 24 or married.</p>
<p>This part is what often trips folks up</p>
<p>"Can demonstrate self-sufficiency for those two years and the current year. Self-sufficiency is defined as the ability to support oneself financially without the help of others. When determining self-sufficiency, money earned by the student through his/her own employment, financial aid and other loans² obtained on his/her own credit, without a co-signer, will be considered acceptable student income. :</p>
<p>Living for 2 years in riverside, or anywhere in California is not cheap. I've heard people say they want to see bank statements (but that was in international). It sounds like this school will allow you to count financial aid (and loans in your name). No need to revisit THAT topic....</p>
<p>Here's UCLA's link (I don't think all UC's are the same. Note there is no mention of using financial aid)
UCLA</a> Registrar's Office: Residence for Tuition Purposes--Financial Independence</p>
<p>To verify financial independence (self-support) per item 6 above, the student must document his or her income and verify that he or she was not claimed as an exemption by parents or anyone else for the two years prior to the request for residence. The student is also required to present a budget showing how he or she is able to be supported by the funds claimed. Self-support is defined as money the student has earned through his or her own employment or loans obtained with the student's own credit, without a cosigner. A gift or loan to the student from a parent, grandparent, or other family member does not constitute self-support regardless of the terms.</p>
<p>UNDERGRADUATE STUDENTS NOTE: The financial independence requirement makes it extremely difficult for most undergraduates whose parents are not California residents, including students from community colleges and other port-secondary institutions within California, to qualify for classification as a resident at a University of California campus.</p>
<p>SMH.
The first thing it says is ADULT STUDENTS(18 years old)</p>