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<p>Nope. The extra OOS fees only cover daily operating costs, i.e., labor to teach, not physical plant and overhead.</p>
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<p>Your parents chose on your behalf (since you were a minor). Have you asked THEM why they chose that way?</p>
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<p>That’s just the point though: the Japanese student didn’t get to choose where they grew up/lived either. By that rationale, then the UC system should be catering to the entire world. That isn’t the mission or purpose of the UC system, nor of California’s Master Plan for HIgher Education. It’s to provide for and support the CA residents in an educational capacity.</p>
<p>Heck, people in Greece don’t get choose where they live, but they sure could find a use for the same unemployment benefits that American citizens obtain. Does that mean they should be granted that benefit in a fair way just because they can’t choose where to be born and raised? You see where this is going?</p>
<p>Just so you know, if I go to community college then I have nowhere to live because my parents will disown me. I don’t think they want a hobo there. </p>
<p>I have enough money of my own from my part-time job to go to a UC or state university within California. The thing with state universities is that there might be people who drag me down. As in, they downsize their education. </p>
<p>And besides, my parents are willing to sacrifice their retirement money if it means that my brother can go to a prestigious university. But they DON’T WANT TO. For obvious reasons. So that’s why I have to go with my own money. I won’t borrow because then I won’t be able to return it until I die. Maybe that’s a good idea. It would solve all my problems in my ****ty life. And it seems it would make everyone on this thread happier. </p>
<p>And I’m not saying OOS people in UC’s is a bad thing. I just hope they won’t take over there because then I’ll be a hobo. </p>
<p>I’m not saying it’s my “right,” I’m just saying that I would be a waste of space if I didn’t get into any UCs. I’m pretty much trapped to go to a UC. State universities have almost no Asians, so I would probably feel like dying. More than I already do. </p>
<p>“Silicon Valley pays a giant amount of taxes to the state. Your two posts to the thread have consisted of nothing but demanding money from other people because it’ll benefit you, you, you.”</p>
<p>I LIVE in Silicon Valley. I already know that. Well, if I didn’t go to a UC I would probably be vandalizing things like a hobo would do. </p>
<p>“You know, I’m confused why people from California want to maintain an advantage despite not funding UCs adequately”</p>
<p>Are you STUPID? That’s because the government is SO stupid. The capital is in Sacremento, which is in NorCal. They don’t give a **** about SoCal people. They should, but no matter how many people tell that to them, they just ignore it. Where I live people are pretty liberal, and helpful… I guess it’s just a Cali thing, that people spend money on useless things.</p>
<p>The state flagship school isn’t for everybody whether they are residents of CA or not. Also, schools & universities are businesses and hence if you can pay for a premier education and you a get accepted there so be it. CA has plenty of other state supported schools where state residents can go, but they feel entitled to the school which if they can’t pay the cost why bother get another plan. This is the same as it’s always been for flagship and select universities. If it’s really about education versus the name of the university than it should make a difference because the individual takes the education and makes the most of it.</p>
<p>quidditch, i have good news: there are asians aplenty in california community colleges!!!</p>
<p>and yes, crizello, point well-taken. i usually don’t get political, but this thread brought it out in me.</p>
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<p>Greg, you seem to be railing against the system in general. Sure, it’s unfair that some university systems are better than others, but just because UC is better doesn’t mean that you deserve to go there. You don’t - not with the way higher education is set up in this country.</p>
<p>So, would you be in favor of nationalizing our public university systems? As in, anyone of any state would be able to go to a public university at a cheaper price, but all the taxes that support public universities would be paid in federal taxes instead of state ones?</p>
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<p>Um, no, that’s not true. If you didn’t know, there are representatives in the legislature according to population/districts, so SoCal, which has the majority of the population, has plenty of representation in the legislature. ;)</p>
<p>quidditchcat: If you live in Silicon Valley, De Anza is an incredible community college that prepares the students who want it for top UCs. I know several people who went from there to Berkeley and San Diego. Heck, I know people who went to other area community colleges who went to UCLA and Berekeley. Maybe if you contact the community colleges, prepare a report and show your parents the data, they’ll let you stay at their place for a couple more years.</p>
<p>You seem to have a lot of negative stereotypes about CCCs and CSUs. Yes, they deal in a wide diversity of students so you have to push yourself a little harder at times–but the professors will treasure their bright, interested students. If you make it known that you want to make the most of your education and are willing to put in the effort, they’ll help you find money to fund research opportunities or guide you in writing an honors thesis. You can go big with San Jose or small with Monterey Bay and you benefit from the opportunities the area offers. </p>
<p>There are plenty of Asians at CCCs and at CSUs. Contact them and you’ll probably find there are clubs to help you meet others and keep in touch with your cultural identity. I’m sure there are many non-Asians out there who you can befriend and will be able to support you in their own ways too. </p>
<p>You sound like you’re under a lot of pressure. 
However, you will NOT be a waste of space if you don’t go to a UC unless you CHOOSE to be. No college is a cure-all and there are other opportunities out there. The choice is yours.</p>
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<p>Actually, I am strongly in favor of nationalizing public higher ed. I feel that’s the only way to reduce tuition costs to acceptable levels. I think it’s quite ridiculous how expensive college tuition is here compared to countries like Germany. And no, we wouldn’t need to become a socialist country to do that. Administrators are very overpaid; plenty of cost cutting can be down there. The rest of the money could easily be taken out of the military industrial complex, the prison industrial complex, and the healthcare system that gives handouts to insurance companies. But that’s a bit of a tangent.</p>
<p>^^you do recognize Greg, that German higher ed is the purview of the states…the German federal government plays only a small role. Moreover, a German court decisions allows local Unis to start charging tuition, and they have joined the race. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>And, of course, one must test into German Unis, in contrast to the US where anyone who is breathing can attend college. So, if we applied those rules to UC, it would become extremely competitive in admissions, and wouldn’t have a need for 9 campuses, nor would it need to accept OOS students. :D</p>
<p>My instinct is that nationalizing public university funding is a good thing, but when I think about it, it’d make their funding even more precarious. As it stands, many public universities are great because the more liberal-leaning legislatures poured money into them. Conservatives at the national level have a dislike of education, and putting our entire public higher education system in their hands could prove disastrous. I’d rather some states have great universities while others are mediocre, than risk all of them going down in flames in one fell swoop, because legislators don’t stress education enough. Of course, the functional equivalent is happening now, with rising conservatism in the legislatures that has led to the de-funding of public universities at absurd rates.</p>
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<p>Well, I’d rather have no mediocre universities, but a compromise I could be happy with would be the addition of some national regional universities strategically located in high-demand areas. These would serve the overflow from places like UC. They would give primary preference to highly qualified residents of the region and secondary preference to those equally qualified from other domestic locations.</p>
<p>Bad economy. UCLA admitted at least 300 Chinese applicants this year.</p>
<p>epiphany, I’d rather have no mediocre universities as well, but if I had to choose between two situations - one, where some are great and some are mediocre, and the other, where all are mediocre - obviously I’d choose the former.</p>
<p>I’m not sure what the purpose of having a ‘regional’ national university is. That seems to me like halfway between a state and federal system - would students who live within a certain distance get preference? To me, the better compromise would be to have truly national universities, with no preference to any specific state or region. These would effectively take care of overflow. And this has precedent as well - all the military academies are national public colleges.</p>
<p>There’s an interesting NYT article that was just published that goes over how much Apple avoids taxes both here and abroad. It even goes into detail about the relationship between tech companies’ taxes and the California budget crisis as it relates to higher education. It specifically talks about De Anza:</p>
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<p>[How</a> Apple Sidesteps Billions in Taxes](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/business/apples-tax-strategy-aims-at-low-tax-states-and-nations.html]How”>Apple’s Tax Strategy Aims at Low-Tax States and Nations - The New York Times)</p>
<p>(kinda eerie how relevant this article is to the current discussion on this thread - I thought maybe others had read this, but it was published after the above posts)</p>
<p>I am a Russian student who attended a high-school in England for 5 years. I will agree, the system has turned on students who it was designed to educate in the first place. However I am very fortunate that I have been admitted to UCSB this year as the number of OOS and international admissions has soared.</p>
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<p>While I’d be the last one to defend Apple’s business practices (the chasm between their public face and their actual business practices is staggering - if their products weren’t so hip, people would be outraged at how they behave), bear in mind all of those Apple employees that live and work in and around Cupertino, who do pay California state and local taxes, who likely pay entrance fees to have their kids swim in DeAnza’s swimming pool, and so on. Apple and its employees certainly pays millions of dollars into the CA economy, and many of them pay into the UC system without ever making use of that system (not everyone has children, you know.)</p>
<p>In that sense, “Apple”, and it’s employees, are doing more than their fair share for the UC system - as you’d find, much to your great regret, if Apple were to suddenly pull up stakes and move their entire operation to Austin or Seattle.</p>
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<p>Isn’t this the defining sentiment of American culture? This and doing everything we can to avoid death?</p>
<p>My friend in HS, for all intent and purposes, graduated after her junior year. Then, her father took a job in NC and she took about 4 classes her entire year at the local HS and went to Chapel Hill on some sort of an in-state scholarship. She was 16th in a class of 300 here in NY and 4th in her class of 600 in an inner-city NC school. Their grading system was so different I don’t even know how they figured rank, but this is what she did.</p>
<p>^^sure, anyone can move with their parents to a new state and obtain instate tuition after one year. AFter one year, that family is now considered a legal resident of the new state, and no longer a resident of NY. That process works in pretty much all 50 states.</p>
<p>I probably should be happy since I’m a potential international applicant in a few more years, but again, the fiscal situation is dire that UC may not be as desirable as before anymore. I heard that Berkeley has a grand total of 1 employee mowing the lawn for the entire school, and that’s more pathetic than my high school.</p>