<p>This surprises me. Goleta isn’t really Santa Barbara. Santa Barbara residents might be happy to get rid of the drunken student bacchanal on Halloween, but the campus is way the heck out of Dodge.</p>
<p>I’m surprised by that too. Isla Vista (which is unincorporated territory by the way) is very geographically isolated from Goleta and Santa Barbara. Halloween doesn’t affect these residents at all because it all goes down in Isla Vista. Even Goleta residents probably don’t notice much when it happens (except maybe increased shopping helping the economy from the influx of students and slightly less parking). I can understand in cities like Davis where students and permanent residents live among one another, but Isla Vista? That doesn’t make sense. The only thing I can see permanent residents being mad about is the drunken students and residents along the State Street bars.</p>
<p>*So for whatever it’s worth, UCLA edges UCB on GPA and UCB edges UCLA on SAT. *</p>
<p>I agree that the student bodies are near equal, but Cal (barely) wins on all stats. According to statfinder, Cal’s '08 matriculants have an uw gpa of 3.81 vs. UCLA at 3.78. And, weighted, capped is 4.11 to 4.08 (Cal again). Total Frosh SAT 1967 (Cal) vs. 1900 UCLA): Cal CR=639, LA = 617. SAT-M is 679 for Cal and 652 for LA. Finally, the Writing score is 649 and 631 in favor of Cal.</p>
<p>fwiw: I called UCLA a couple of years ago and they publish weighted, uncapped on their website (or at least they did).</p>
<p>We’re not talking about closing them, just moving them to cost effective places and providing much needed cost reduction and revenue streams by doing so. Why on earth does anyone need to be educated in La Jolla?</p>
<p>It’s time for CA to get real. Businesses would not set up in La Jolla and have staff located there that could do their jobs in Bakersfield if they were hoping to get investors today.</p>
<p>And how are you going to attract the staff and students out of Bakersfield? That’s the dumbest idea I have heard regarding the California situation. One reason the biotech industry is so strong around UCSD is because of where it is. Same for Stanford/Silicon Valley. There’s a reason there is no equal to Silicon Valley in Kansas even though the land is nearly free there and the COL is less than half.</p>
Why not? It’s a nice location to be while being educated. It’s also reasonably centrally located for San Diego County. Of course we could try to move the UCs in places like El Centro, Blythe, or Bakersfield (nice pick) but it’d be very difficult to get students to actually attend there or attract any staff there and it’d defeat the benefit of having the UCs generally located in major population areas where they can serve a large number of commuter students.</p>
<p>I’m quite glad for UCSD’s location on what was to them free land (I think). Any benefit from the sale of the land to some developers would be very short sighted in comparison to the boon to the economy in that area (see my earlier post). But it’s all academic anyway because it’s not going to happen.</p>
<p>Actually, it is true. Consider UCSB. It began life as a Cal State - the former Santa Barbara State University. But it took many millions of dollars and decades of time to finally fully convert and operate it as a comprehensive doctoral university. You gotta pay for all that research capacity.</p>
<p>Look at it another way:</p>
<p>UC System = 10 campuses, 191K students, $19 billion total budget</p>
<p>CSU System = 23 campuses, 450K students, $5.1 billion total budget</p>
<p>Running a CSU is a LOT cheaper than running a UC.</p>
<p>^^ Coureur: What about the relative funding from the state after all of the other income sources are considered of which I think the UCs receive more than the CSUs? Did you check those numbers UC vs. CSU?</p>
<p>Gotta disagree with hmom on moving campuses. One of the strengths of UC, IMO, is that most campuses are in urban population centers and thus near public transport. For example, while in an idyllic setting (Berkshires), a college like UMass-Amherst is impossible to get to for the low income folks. (And I have posted numerous times that Merced should have never been commissioned.)</p>
<p>Outside of Berkeley (and BART), are the other UCs really close to public transportation options? UCSB is basically limited to the Santa Barbara south coast and that’s it. UCSC is basically limited to Santa Cruz (besides the infrequent commute hour Highway 17 Express). UC Davis is basically limited to Davis (except for infrequent commute hour Yolobuses from Sacramento). UCLA, well, using the Google Maps transit planner, some of the estimated times for bus rides to campus is crazy :eek: Not sure about the other SoCal UCs.</p>
Can you please explain how relocating an existing research university to an inland location would provide much needed cost reduction and increase revenue streams?</p>
<p>Have you heard about who is working in Silicon Valley today? They long ago got rid of the manufacturing, most companies years ago moves sales, marketing and accounting to the boonies…but now, to get VC financing, a company gets to keep only very key personnel in the heart of the Valley. The model is maybe 5-10 people with everyone else in Peoria. Have you seen the vacant office space in that area?</p>
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<p>I’m simply responding to the esteemed professors suggesting they close Merced and Riverside–the campuses worth the least. The idea of closing some campuses may be good, they just have the wrong ones in mind. Over time if programs were moved to those low cost places and others with lots of room for expansion, money would be saved.</p>
<p>The students of CA will go to wherever the UCs are just as top students and profs head to Harlem and W. Philly and the scary area of Chicago.</p>
The actual letter stated “…whose funding levels and budgets should be reorganized to match that reality… Or…we suggest that what ought to be done is to shut one or more of these campuses [UCSC, UCR, UCM] down, in whole or in part.” And this was just one of a number of brainstormed type of suggestions they included.</p>
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No, they won’t. Many wouldn’t be able to afford it since they’re commuters. Others simply wouldn’t want to live in certain areas - like Riverside or Merced. If UCLA was transplanted lock, stock, and barrel to someplace like Bakersfield for example, I’m certain my D wouldn’t have selected it and would be at UCB or UCSD instead. Lots of students care about the location and select based on the location and surrounding area whether it be because it’s in NYC, because it’s close to a nice beach, close to home, is in a ‘college town’, is rural, isn’t rural, and on and on. There are lots of posts on CC where those attributes are expressed as being important.</p>
<p>^^^^ Totally agree - my DD is marginal on most of the UCs anyway - put them into the central valley and she will simply go elsewhere. </p>
<p>On the other hand, my dad being a former professor, I asked him about moving a university - he said no way that the faculty moves … Think of them as the key personnel that gets to work where they want to work (I have spent 15 years in the valley and know how that game is played only too well.)</p>
<p>Poor babies! The realities of California’s out of control spending and Prop 13 will cause a lot of issues for this generation, this would be among the least of them.</p>
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<p>Then she has more options than most of her CA peers. Most of the kids I know who can afford private colleges have avoided the UCs for at least a decade.</p>
<p>I’ve lived about a mile away from SFSU most of my life and seeing a blue sky around here is a major event Western San Francisco isn’t too kind to sunseekers. I don’t know if I’d pick that school if my criteria was weather.</p>
<p>Is that all students, or just incoming freshmen? If the latter, does it include Spring admits?</p>
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<p>I tried that out for a little while. Apparently my house isn’t in the coverage area, even though I live 50 yards from a bus stop. Anyway, when I finally got it to do something near my house, the route it suggested was spectacularly absurd - literally 5 times the amount of time I would expect (my own route) to take. I would hope it’s more accurate over longer distances, but it definitely doesn’t include all of the options that are available in the area.</p>
It’s also reasonably centrally located for San Diego County. Of course we could try to move the UCs in places like El Centro, Blythe, or Bakersfield (nice pick) but it’d be very difficult to get students to actually attend there or attract any staff there and it’d defeat the benefit of having the UCs generally located in major population areas where they can serve a large number of commuter students.</p>
Western San Francisco isn’t too kind to sunseekers. I don’t know if I’d pick that school if my criteria was weather.</p>