<p>Which one is better?</p>
<p>Wow, that question is rather open-ended.</p>
<p>ucsd 10char</p>
<p>what is 10char</p>
<p>[Let</a> me google that for you](<a href=“LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You”>LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You)</p>
<p>thanks! but how is ucsd better? this doesn’t make sense</p>
<p>because it has a better computer science program</p>
<p>Just because they have a “better” science program does not mean that overall UCSD is better. Moreover, It’s not like their science program is on par with MIT’s and that UOP’s is on par with Cal Poly Pomona’s.</p>
<p>You’re asking a ucsd forum - um.</p>
<p>ucsd… the reasons:
- I go to UCSD
- I love UCSD
- UCSD campus is amazing</p>
<p>seriously though, you need to be more specific. what do you want to study, living style preferences, tell us what you want from college and we will tell you if UCSD is a right match for you. to ask which college is better in a UCSD forum, is like asking a dog lover if he/she likes cats more than dogs… If you ask the dog person if YOU are suitable to be a dog owner (and give the necessary info about yourself), he’ll tell you yes go get a dog, or no, maybe try a cat…
the point is the more info you give about yourself the more helpful our responses will be. I’ve seen a lot of people on these UCSD forums tell people to go to UCD or other colleges because they felt that’s where they belong. </p>
<p>If you don’t do that, i think the most you will get is “UCSD” as the response to your very very open-ended question. Narrow it down please if you want narrower and more clearer answers, then just watch as a bunch of members will tell you their opinions.</p>
<p>The 3 reasons you provide are not good reasons to say that UCSD is better than UOP. I get your dog lover analogy, but you don’t see my point.</p>
<p>I am asking you the dog-lover (or in this case the UCSD lover) to be more objective. Try to articulate what makes UCSD or UOP the better school. Do this without giving subjective reasons. Separate yourself from your own convictions. </p>
<p>You may ask: why here? Why the UCSD forum? I do this b/c you know UCSD very well. I realize that your perception of UCSD is subjective; but I am asking you to try to provide an objective account. Base your answer on the following:</p>
<p>(1) Academics
i. Programs
ii. Admittance rate
iii. Quality of incoming class (undergraduate)
iv. student to faculty ratio
(2) Athletics
i. who are more successful?
ii. Who is better at sports?
(3) Which school is more affordable
i. Don’t just say which school is more expensive; don’t base it on the sticker price. Base it on how much money is awarded to each student to be able to afford to matriculate there.
ii. graduation rate
(4) Life after college
i. whose graduates earn more?
ii. percentage of graduates who are unemployed
iii. what percentage goes on to graduate/professional school?
iv. who has the stronger alumni network?
(5) Diversity
i. which is more ethnically diverse?
ii. which is more economically diverse? </p>
<p>You may add more if you want…</p>
<p>1) Programs
Computer Science program is better
You can google ii-iv</p>
<p>2) They don’t play each other so it doesn’t matter. Can’t compare apples and oranges.</p>
<p>3) i. UCSD is more affordable (source: Google)
ii. google it</p>
<p>4) google</p>
<p>5) i don’t go to uop so i don’t know anything about its diversity</p>
<p>Seriously all these things you ask for (unless someone went to both schools) most people would only know one side of it. And since I am a computer science major, one of the biggest things (if not biggest) I would base my answer on for which is the better college is which school has the better computer science program.</p>
<p>ccnoob then tell me why UCSD’s computer science program is better than UOP’s.</p>
<p>contrapositive1, if you’re interested in facts then google is your best friend. I can tell you SUBJECTIVELY what I think about the student:faculty ratio (could be better), and what I think about the money awarded (zero, because I’m lower middle class). You are basically asking us to do the impossible: to give an impassioned opinion about why we love our school and to “separate ourselves from our own convictions” while doing so. </p>
<p>If you mean you’re looking for a well-reasoned opinion, I will tell you that I love SD because we have great weather, a laid-back environment, a great biology department, and it’s a ton cheaper than UoP because I get zero financial aid. Even then, this won’t tell you whether UoP is better than SD, or SD is better than UoP for YOU, not for me. What about both universities are you actually interested in? What do you want to learn from us about UCSD that you can’t learn from Google? </p>
<p>Until you clarify the things spatel23 asked you to, you’re only going to get flippant answers. (Go UCSD!)</p>
<p>[World’s</a> Best Universities in Computer Science; Top Computer Science Schools | US News](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-rankings/best-universities-computer-science?page=2]World’s”>http://www.usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-rankings/best-universities-computer-science?page=2)</p>
<p>ucsd is #33 in the WORLD</p>
<p>Also the top companies in the COUNTRY regularly come to UCSD to recruit, including google yahoo amazon facebook vmware apple salesforce qualcomm zynga and 50+ other companies</p>
<p>ccnoob, you have to be careful about those rankings. Those rankings are for institutions who afford PhD degrees. UOP does not afford PhD degrees in computer science. Therefore, you cannot compare UCSD’s computer science program to UOP’s. You will need to compare both schools’ UNDERGRADUATE programs. I assume you’re an undergraduate. </p>
<p>momosky, all that I am asking is for you to try to be objective. Don’t you think it is unsound to say X is better than Y simply b/c you like X?</p>
<p>UoP tuition: $37,800</p>
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<p>Compare to UCSD’s full tuition: $13,234</p>
<p>Even factoring the amount of aid received (and this is assuming ALL of UoP undergrads receive aid, which clearly isn’t true), you pay less tuition to attend UCSD. We won’t even touch on how 61% of UCSD undergrads receive aid averaging ~16,000. Tada, objectivity!</p>
<p>Looking at your previous posts, clearly favor UoP anyway, so why are you creating all these threads asking people to compare? Lol accusing people of being overly subjective is like the pot calling the kettle black</p>
<p>happy new years eve!!! 
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<p>Reference stuffs:
[Office</a> of Financial Aid](<a href=“http://www.pacific.edu/About-Pacific/AdministrationOffices/Office-of-Financial-Aid.html]Office”>http://www.pacific.edu/About-Pacific/AdministrationOffices/Office-of-Financial-Aid.html)
<a href=“http://studentresearch.ucsd.edu/sriweb/UCSDCollegeProfile.pdf[/url]”>http://studentresearch.ucsd.edu/sriweb/UCSDCollegeProfile.pdf</a>
<a href=“http://studentresearch.ucsd.edu/sriweb/UCSDCollegeProfile.pdf[/url]”>http://studentresearch.ucsd.edu/sriweb/UCSDCollegeProfile.pdf</a></p>
<p>I feel like having a PhD program almost automatically makes its undergraduate program better, based on the fact that having a graduate program leads to more money and better professors for the undergraduate department (at least that’s how it works at UCSD) but you’re probably not gonna buy that. Also like I said before 50+ of the top companies in the country come to UCSD to recruit computer science undergrads. Doubt that UOP can say the same.</p>
<p>I’d like to know why you are trying to compare the two schools. It would help us better answer your questions and help you get better answers.</p>
<p>Does it really benefit undergraduates? I don’t think having a PhD program benefits them: it hurts them. This is b/c professors care mostly about their graduate students. The money that comes in is for research that professors and grad students do. Very seldom does that money pour into any undergraduate program. </p>
<p>Are you sure those companies are there looking for undergraduates; or are they looking for graduate students? Just b/c the graduate program is strong does not mean its undergraduate program is as strong. Moreover, I was looking at the UOP resource center page and they do get renowned companies.</p>
<p>Your point about the PhD programs is actually very true about the other departments at UCSD. A lot of professors in our bio and chem and econ departments care more about their grad students and their research than teaching. However, that is not the case in our CS department. Also it’s a well known fact across the campus that the CS department has more money than other departments through private funding.</p>
<p>I am sure those companies are looking for undergrads. It says so under their requirements. And generally just because the grad program is strong doesn’t mean its undergrad program is as strong, but that’s the case here at UCSD.Even if you don’t believe that, if you ask any cs company recruiter, all else equal, would they take the UCSD undergrad or the UOP undergrad, they would take the UCSD undergrad, the same way they would take Cal and Stanford over UCSD. You can say that that’s not fair, but that’s just the reality of the reputations of those schools and their cs programs. </p>
<p>You still haven’t answered about why you are looking for this information and the context of your personal situation. Are you in high school? College student looking to transfer? Parent? High school counselor?</p>