<p>Anata baka yone~~
O baka san ee yone~~~ :p</p>
<p>Sorry! Yeah, average Chen from Shanghai may hear about UCLA if you define world-class like that. But Berkeley is world famous for its academics and research. No matter how vigorously defend your school, it is what it is: World-Class School (academically)- Harvard-Yale-MIT-Columbia-Stanford-Berkeley</p>
<p>Rabban,</p>
<p>まず、俺は馬鹿じゃないよ。 そして、俺は必ずRabban君の先輩だから、砕けたを使わないで。 分かるの？ まったく。。。今時の若者は本当に失礼だろうな。</p>
<p>Well, here's the problem with your argument: Nobody has really defined what "world class" really means. Is it just research? Or is it that name recognition? Or is it a combination of a number of factors, weighted a certain amount?</p>
<p>Let's use some examples of other universities that I would consider "world class" that seemingly fail your criteria:</p>
<p>LSE- Most Americans don't know LSE particularly well, yet in academic circles, it's well-known and respected as a world-class centre (British spelling intentional) of academics and research. However, because of its relative obscurity in North America, is it no longer the university that it actually is?</p>
<p>Tokyo U.- Todai is clearly one of Japan's strongest campuses, and in East Asia is considered one of the shining stars of academia. Yet, its research and overall academic quality can't hold a candle to even pitiful little UCSD. In fact, for the "best" university in the world's 2nd largest economy, it's really quite an underperformer. Yet, many consider it a world-class school, and it certainly has a cachet in East Asia.</p>
<p>Johns Hopkins- JHU probably can't match UCLA in as broad of a range of research, yet I would find it absurd to call it anything BUT world-class.</p>
<p>Yet, you seem to have a different definition. If you ask me, it's an arbitrary grouping of universities based solely on CC.com "wow factor." You don't include other clearly powerhouse campuses, such as:</p>
<p>Cal Tech
Princeton
Michigan (which could give Cal a run for its money in almost any academic field)
Cornell</p>
<p>So define world class first, then let's argue.</p>
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<p>UCLAri: it consists of a bit of the above + wow factor + published curriculum vitae from ceratin professors, number of written articles in professional journals, presentations at professional conferences and symposia + something recondite, intangible</p>
<p>Well, i must respectfully decline your invitation of "arguments" because i think this is not an appropriate forum to do so (heck, this is Harvard forum :p) But my world-class school list remains intact for now: Harvard-Yale-MIT-Columbia-Stanford-Berkeley now matter how much disgreed u are !!!</p>
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<p>Huh? You want their resumes/CVs published? How does this make a school more prestigious?</p>
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<p>Fine, then do it [url=<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=2383132#post2383132%5Dhere.%5B/url">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=2383132#post2383132]here.[/url</a>] As they so eloquently say, "Put up or shut up."</p>
<p>aha! if you visit various school websites and go to individual departments, you will see the list of professors/lectures. More often than not, they put thier resumes on the site, so you know what his/her background is including education, research topics, papers, grants, and so on. You are now educated by me !!! :p</p>
<p>Rabban,</p>
<p>Almost every professor puts up his CV at every school. It's a common practice.</p>
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<p>well uclari- that applies to you and your school. UCLA is a fine school. But, sorry ! UCLA is not on par with Berkely- World-Class</p>
<p>It's high time for you to eat your humble pie and simply admit that Berkeley is a world-class school and your school is not. Sad, but true - cest la vie!!! ;) Anata baka yo ne, O baka san ee yone :p</p>
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<p>No, most people don't like unsubstantiated claims, no matter how easily supported they may or may not be. </p>
<p>Wow, you're really good at supporting your arguments. You just keep saying it over and over again, in the hopes that one day, it'll be true!</p>
<p>I'm not arguing that UCLA is on par with Berkeley.</p>
<p>But then again, prestige isn't a zero-sum game. Just because university X is "world class" doesn't render university Y no longer world class. This isn't necessarily give and take. It's possible for many universities to be world class.</p>
<p>And why isn't Michigan, with just as many top departments as Cal, not?</p>
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<p>First off, do you even know what this means?</p>
<p>If you do, then you're a rude, rotten little brat. How DARE you?!</p>
<p>um, it would be much appreciated if you refrain from using personal attacks - it really reflects badly on you and your non-World-Class-school. UCLA is a fine school. But it's not Berkeley!!!</p>
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<p>You're the one who called me a bloody idiot in the first place! You do realize that "baka," in the context you used it in, can be VERY rude, right?</p>
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<p>Do you have any better arguments, or do you just repeat this over and over again hoping that I'll be swayed by your impeccable logic?</p>
<p>aha- better arguments? Something in life needs no arguments at all because it comes naturally. Like i know Harvard is a better school than UMass - i dont need anyone to convince me. Like i know being nice on CC is much better than being pricky - naturally. Being married is better than being never married before - i know though Im not married. in the same vein, Berkely is a far better school than UCLA. Berkely is a world class school which ranks right with Havard, Yale, MIT,... Engaging in this kind of argument is simply a waste of my time :)</p>
<p>You were the one who called me an idiot, Rabban. You used the rude language in Japanese. Don't start playing high and mighty.</p>
<p>And you still don't get it, do you? It's possible for many schools to be world class.</p>
<p>For example, would you argue that Oxford, Cambridge, and LSE aren't world class?</p>
<p>Of course Oxford-Cambridge are world-class, just like Tokyo-Waseda, i know naturally. But i thought we were talking about the world-class schools in the USA. World-Class Schools that produced best minded scholars in the USA and well recognized in the world. The Schools that have already made indelible marks on human nature/understanding. They are all in my world-class school list ! ! !</p>
<p>berkeley is NOT at the same level as the HYPSMC...</p>
<p>Rabban,</p>
<p>What do Tokyo or Waseda offer that make them world class? Having studied at two Japanese unis, I can say that outside of some science programs, none of the Japanese unis can hold a candle to the best American universities.</p>
<p>But the layman thinks otherwise.</p>
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<p>At the graduate level, Berkeley clearly is.</p>
<p>yea mayb for grad</p>
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LOL, you are deeply misinformed. They may not hold a candle but they surely hold a chopstick better. Oh those sushi and sashimi...yum... I think I will have a tepanyaki dinner with sashimi appetizer and finsh with a Sapporo beer ! ! !</p>
<p>lol @ rabban lol!</p>