UCB vs UCLA

<p>Let's not confuse recognition and reputation. </p>

<p>UCLA is a marketable school because of its location, baby blue, and historic athletic success. Walk into a department store anywhere in California and you can find college gear for UCLA; walk into a department store in Southern California and you'd be hard-pressed to find Cal gear. The fact that the UCLA "brand name" is one of the most recognizable, quite frankly, is no shocker, but it should not be understood as indicative of academic reputation. For instance, UNC-Chapel Hill is also a very marketable university brand, but that doesn't mean much other than an extra boost in number of out-of-state applicants; this is also true with a school like NYU which, with UCLA, receives among the most freshman applications in the nation. The recent spike in USC's number of applicants and rising average standardized test scores is most often attributed to the success of its football team, but equally important is the image of the 'SC Song Girls and perfect grass at the Coliseum in mild temperature in the middle of November on ESPN. As witnessed on these boards many times, a lot of out-of-staters mistaken USC as a University of California campus because they could care less about USC's background as an institution and the significance of "UC": they apply to cash in on the brand and location.</p>

<p>Academic reputation, if that is what you are after, goes farther in terms of power of a degree. I'm originally form SoCal and didn't have a darn clue where exactly Berkeley was located in CA until senior year. I would surmise that if you asked southern Californians to pinpoint where Berkeley was in California, less than half would select an area within 50 miles of campus. The truth is, recognition of the "Berkeley" name lies in its "reputation"; that is, Berkeley as a very strong academic institution. I knew Berkeley, all southern Californians know Berkeley, the kid in a rural town in Iowa knows Berkeley and it's because of the school's education reputation; by the same token, all of the above know UCLA but not necessarily for the same reasons. When posters here and others comment on Cal's "reputation," it is strictly from an academic standpoint and cannot be compared against UCLA "recognition." Cal's reputation is almost exclusively referencing the Times Higher Education Supplement World Rankings which, in the past, has placed the university's academic reputation tops in the world. </p>

<p>Whichever is more important to you, be it recognition or reputation or somewhere in between, do consider to what audience is most important, most relevant to you. If you intend to stay in California after college, UCLA and Cal could be considered a push for discussion's sake. If you are seeking a career in Academia, Cal would have an undisputed edge. If you intend on entering a career where social networking is extremely important, especially with clients outside of California, I can see how UCLA can be advantageous. If you are looking for a job in more high-profile places, where education background is scrutinized by individuals "in-the-know," a Cal degree is advantageous. </p>

<p>To answer the OP's question, from what I've seen and in the spirit of generalizations, choosing UCLA is a lifestyle choice and choosing Cal is a life choice. Apply this statement as you see fit.</p>

<p>Extremely well said Ttgiang... especially the last paragraph.</p>

<p>Very thoughtful indeed.</p>

<p>A++++++++++</p>

<p>How about worrying less about careers, and more about which school will offer you the experience you want?</p>

<p>It never ceases to amaze me how much posters on this site talk about careers this, jobs that, starting salaries here, getting into a top grad school there. But what is more incredible is how little they seem concerned with the 4 years that they'll spend at the school itself. </p>

<p>Seriously, employers don't care as much about the name of your school as you think-- especially when the difference is as minor as UCLA vs. Cal. Grad schools don't care that much about whether you went to UCLA or Cal. It's really not that big of a deal in the long run. 20, 10, or even 5 years from now, all it will matter is who you root for when March Madness rolls around. That's it. </p>

<p>Yeah, I know, I know. "But my friend said..." Seriously guys, as long as you do well at either one, it won't make much of a difference. Go where you'll be happy. It's THAT simple.</p>

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im a norcal girl though and dont ever want to move down south (i hate hot weather).

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<p>For the record, UCLA is located in a really nice spot of LA where the weather hardly ever gets hot. I don't get the image of SoCal being hot. SD is actually really cold right now.</p>

<p>TRUFAX, guys. Check out the almanac before you assume that a place is hot.</p>

<p>Oh, an UCLA is also really really really liberal. Really liberal. Seriously liberal. Liberevilay liberal.</p>

<p>^^^^^^I doubt it. I have a lot of friends that go there and that are VERY engaged in politicas and ive never heard that. Berkeley--with its "liberal" reputation--isnt even that liberal. I assume your exaggerating, a lot.</p>

<p>GoldenBear10,</p>

<p>Relative to the average American, UCLA is really quite liberal. I'm exaggerating a tad just for effect, but UCLA is really quite liberal.</p>

<p>It's funny how often people forget that there was almost as passionate of a liberal scene at UCLA during the 60s and 70s. The confluence of liberal organizations vs. conservative organizations on-campus is also quite striking.</p>

<p>Go walk on Bruin Walk, and notice how many organizations have some sort of "liberal" cause. Socialists, pro-Palestine, pro-workers, pro-environment, pro-atheism, etc.</p>

<p>There is a larger following of Young Republicans at Berkeley than there is at UCLA (therefore, UCLA = more liberal)</p>

<p>(Bad math makes me laugh) :p</p>

<p>Look it up, it's true</p>

<p>Who says all liberals are Democrats? Didn't someone say that Berkeley's Republican thing is big, but it's because all the left-wing organizations are all, characteristically, splintered? Berkeley has the reputation of being liberal, but seriously how liberal can a large major university be...</p>

<p>Peppers,</p>

<p>Relative to most of the world outside of academia...</p>

<p>Pretty darn liberal.</p>

<p>How does it compare to UCLA?</p>

<p>I think that both are really quite liberal. Cal has the reputation, but UCLA also has tons of groups for the aspiring young liberal. Going to UCLA isn't like going to Pensecola College...</p>

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Didn't someone say that Berkeley's Republican thing is big, but it's because all the left-wing organizations are all, characteristically, splintered?

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<p>Overall, the Berkeley Democrats have become pretty centrist while maintaining a liberal mindset, and most of the far left liberals have splintered off into single-issue groups on campus (like those goddamned leftist radicals who support the hippies camping illegally in the Memorial Stadium oak grove, or those nutcases who are against a $500 million university partnership with British Petroleum to produce biofuels by developing genetically-engineered bacteria). Ahem.</p>

<p>Berkeley isnt as liberal as people say it is. Only sproul is where you see all the action, but other than that it is pretty conservative. I'm from SoCal and I've noticed that like 90% of the people I have met are from my area (OC/LA). I definitely love the Berkeley area, but my friends from UCLA and SD say that there are many norcal people so yeah, norcal people tend to go south and socal people tend to go north. I love how there are soooooo many good places to eat in berkeley :]</p>

<p>I can't disagree with you more, UCLAri, when you state that employers don't care whether you went to Cal or UCLA. Yeah, I guess if you're applying for a job at the local Kwik-E-Mart, they don't care where you graduated. But believe me, employers in competitive, "prestige" jobs (ibanks, consulting firms, etc) most definitely care. Of course, if you got a 4.0 at both schools, your chances for getting a "prestige" job is great whether you went to UCLA or Cal. But honestly, is that what you're banking on? The majority of grads end up in the mid 3s as far as gpas, and each of them are struggling to make themselves stand out from the rest of the herd. I can guarantee you one thing...if I have an applicant from Cal with a 3.5 and from UCLA with a 3.5 in the same major, my initial reaction is that I'm leaning towards the Cal grad. Unfair? Probably. But it is what it is. Employers who want intellectual firepower in their entry-level employees are going to gravitate toward Cal grads over UCLA all things being equal. Its just how the academic reputation cookie crumbles right now. And its been that way for as long as I can remember.</p>

<p>And please...its not like Cal is this wasteland of social activity where you're going to have a crappy 4 year experience in comparison to UCLA. They are both big schools with plenty of niches to accomodate everyone. Its not like comparing UCLA to Harvey Mudd, for heaven's sake (Mudders...sorry...but you guys are bad-ass engineers if that's any consolation).</p>

<p>"Its not like comparing UCLA to Harvey Mudd, for heaven's sake (Mudders...sorry...but you guys are bad-ass engineers if that's any consolation)."</p>

<p>No offense taken. :)</p>

<p>graduated31,</p>

<p>Is it possible that you're going to take the Cal grad because you're an alum? </p>

<p>Don't assume that you're every situation-- you're not. After your first job (at the most), your undergrad is not going to matter a whole lot. I've managed to network in a lot of jobs at the top of my area without having to run into a "Cal wall."</p>

<p>Berkeley's better because there are fewer faux-hawks and more trees.</p>

<p>Just visited SoCal last weekend: not a green, healthy thing in sight. Plenty of orange, though. By which I mean spray on tanner.</p>

<p>ccbchunks,</p>

<p>I take it you didn't bother to actually visit UCLA, which has plenty</a> of grass and trees.</p>