<p>umm…uchicago has molecular engineering, which i will be a hopefully a part of!, and if not, i’ll major in something else</p>
<p>What is the price differential?</p>
<p>I view UIC as a gigantic step down from Chicago in terms of undergrad experience and classroom education. I think this would be a tough question if UIC came with a generous scholarship AND guaranteed med school. If you’re paying full price at UIC, and/or you’re getting decent aid from Chicago, not so much.</p>
<p>Do not look down upon UIC BS/MD program, its as hard to get in as Harvard or MIT. A son of a friend, he was determined to get in a BS/MD program and 5 years ago flew to 15 different interviews in his HS Sr. year and got nothing. He had to settle in UC Berkeley. He graduated from Berkeley with a GPA of 3.8 MCAT 36 and was rejected by all first tier schools, now he is in Case Western.</p>
<p>@Hanna: still have to hear from uic’s financial aid office for their offer, but chicago has offered generous financial aid and merit scholarships</p>
<p>and @artloversplus …case western is a pretty good medical school…</p>
<p>op you are such an achiever, I envy you. You are an excellent student.</p>
<p>There was a thread that the op got in U of OK or NE(memory fading) BS/MD program and being accepted by MIT. From that vantage point of view, you can imagine how hard it is to be accepted by a BS/MD program. The admission rate is less than 5% by any one of them.</p>
<p>Congratulations again and with all the best luck to you.</p>
<p>Getting into a BS/MD program is super hard, there’s no denying it.
Unfortunately,the preprofessional guaranteed admission program is the ONLY one that would provide such a stellar student with enough academic challenge, as the rest of the classes just aren’t up to par, and that will be 2/3 of the classes taken… Students in the Honors College take <em>some</em> Honors classes but often they end up in classes where professors teach at the level of ACT 22-25/3.2 GPA students - with “honors option” meaning they complete an extra project - and that’s not going to be satisfying for OP.
Furthermore, the general atmosphere is completely different: the kind of kid who would like UChicago just wouldn’t be happy in UIC, even with the guarantee of direct med school entrance 4 years hence. Northwestern/UIC I may see it, DePaul/UIC I could see it, but UChicago’s atmosphere is akin to Reed, William&Mary, Swarthmore, Columbia… nothing like UIC. What makes the students “tick” is totally different. These students often feel marginalized in high school and UChicago provides a safe place to explore intellectual matters and grow in their own way.
(artloverplus: your own child is at UChicago, right? Not UIC.)
UChicago with big scholarships will be much be more satisfying and challenging, even without direct med school admission. And really a student who can get into UChicago can get into Med School if they stick to the plan.
(And apparently kennedyiceit didn’t take the AP Bio exam so s/he’s not going to take the infamous AP5Bio class at Uchicago. :p) </p>
<p>“m2c, if ranking in US medical school does not matter then why your son don’t apply for Moorehouse, he surely can get in easier than a Brown equivalent. L”</p>
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<p>My son is already in med school. He doesn’t need to apply. My point was that if he hadn’t gotten into his top choice, then he would have happily gone to a lower ranked med school or even an unranked med school. We would not have worried that he wouldn’t end up as a successful physician. If he had gone to an unranked med school (which was also a favorite of his), he would have done his best, got great LORs, got a top ranking at his SOM, and snagged an excellent residency. </p>
<p>You seem to think that your UChi daughter’s chances are now doomed because she has to apply to unranked SOMs due to her grades. Your D is not doomed. Wherever she lands, she needs to shine and go after the residencies that will get her where she wants to be. </p>
<p>That said, others who are reading this thread should take note. Going to a top undergrad where your GPA will be more in jeopardy is a risk that premeds should consider. My son went to a mid-tier and graduated with a 3.99 cum GPA and a 4.0 BCMP GPA and was accepted to half of the med schools he applied to…and got merit scholarships from those accepted SOMs. In the premed forum, we frequently see posts from students who are attending their dream undergrads who now don’t have med-school acceptable GPAs because the number of A’s is so limited at nearly ALL schools’ premed classes. When every premed classmate was a 33+ ACT/4.5 GPA incoming frosh, then your premed prereqs are going to be filled with Vals/Sals who are all competing for those limited A’s. </p>
<p>SOM rankings seem to matter more to those in MD/PhD programs. Those in academic medicine seem to come from H Y S UCSF JHU etc.</p>
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<p>Who is “he”? That said, I too, argue that it doesn’t make much difference for engineering. My med school son graduated with his degree in Chemical Eng’g. If he had decided to immediately go into the private sector rather than med school, he would have immediately been employed at a very high salary and his pay would have been the same as any other new hire from any other eng’g program.</p>
<p>My H is the most senior physician in his 150+ doctors multi-specialty group. It is part of a large prestigious group (about 1K physicians) that has offices scattered in the whole Bay Area. When they interview new doctors, they look at everything, his/her undergrad, his/her med school with emphasis on the residencies of his/her specialty. Of course, they want the docs who have the most prestigious credentials. They also call ALL their references and ask VERY probing questions prior to an offer. Most doctors want to join a very reputable group and know that their patients are getting the best medical care from their colleagues when they make referrals within the group.</p>
<p>All physicians will have a comfortable income but if they wish to live in a sought-after area, the competition for job is also fierce.</p>
<p>I do examine the MD’s credential when I visit my doctors in Kaiser (KP) most of the doctors there are from Foreign country and the Caribbians, their performance at KP has very high standard, nothing to worry. However, I believe they got paid less.</p>
<p>In the Bay Area, the larger private medical group(ie Sutter and Mills) does have mostly Doctors from American schools. The three physicians attending my mom’s Parkinson’s are from American Medical school. The Dr. in Parkinson’s Institute is from Harvard and the other two are from Albany and UCSF.</p>
<p>I am at peace if my daughter is admitted to a US med school and I think she will. Her fist sitting of MCAT is 33 without any prep class.</p>
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<p>she’s retaking? That can be risky. What if she does worse?</p>
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I do examine the MD’s credential when I visit my doctors in Kaiser (KP) most of the doctors there are from Foreign country and the Caribbians, their performance at KP has very high standard, nothing to worry. However, I believe they got paid less.
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<p>AGAIN, we’re talking about doctors trained in AMERICA, not elsewhere. While I doubt that Kaiser pays the other doctors less, they do not pay their US trained doctors more/less based on where they went to med school. Pay may vary by specialty, but not by med school. </p>
<p>no she is not. I want her to concentrate on the GPA for the final two quarters with upper level science (mostly bio) courses and get A in all of them to pull up the GPA and sGPA.</p>
<p>We are looking at all mid/lower tier with maybe one Caribbean schools to round out. Based on studentdoc software, she has about 20 matches(0 to +3), 50 reaches(-2.5 to -.1) and of course 15 high reaches,</p>
<p>Well, only physicians or nurses can judge other physicians’ competence based on their notes, whether they were complete in their exams and their recommendations and based on outcomes of referred patients. Many times patients can pass judgments based on very superficial things such as bedside manners, time spent with them etc. It is difficult for patients to judge their skill set. I have heard great outcomes with Kaiser docs and horrendous outcomes also. My sister-in-law died from colon cancer at age 44,her tumor was the size of an orange when discovered and she had just gone to her annual exam weeks ago at Kaiser. Her foreign trained doctor never noticed it; and when she went back again, it was misdiagnosed. Thankfully my H had her case reviewed at Stanford grand rounds and doctors there recognized the misdiagnosis.
My H gets a newsletter from California Medical Association where they publish names of doctors who got censured or had their license revoked. Many are from foreign medical schools but trained in US hospitals. So I disagree that medical schools are all equal even though the grads all pass all the necessary licensing exams.</p>
<p>Artloverplus, has your daughter looked at DO schools?</p>
<p>Perhaps she is but I do not know. Her GPA is not bad 3.5ish, from UChicago bio major should have little vantage. Obviously, we shall look at DO’s if the gpa is 3.1 or some thing.</p>
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<p>There is variation in costs, more so among public schools (for both in-state and out-of-state costs) than among private schools.</p>
<p>For UIC GPPA, the student must maintain a college GPA of 3.5 to stay in the program and also take the MCAT (though it is not clear what MCAT score is needed), according to <a href=“Guaranteed Professional Program Admissions (GPPA) | University of Illinois Chicago”>Guaranteed Professional Program Admissions (GPPA) | University of Illinois Chicago; . In other words, it does require maintaining a pre-med-worthy college GPA, just like any other pre-med, although if the student maintains it (and meets any MCAT threshold there may be), the normal stressful application period is less stressful (without the uncertainties of the normal medical school application, interviewing, etc.).</p>
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<p>Probably because the supply of physicians from US medical schools is larger than those from foreign medical schools.</p>
<p>I looked at the physician profiles of a sample Sutter medical office in the bay area. Of the 21 adult primary care physicians accepting new patients, 14 were from US medical schools, while 7 were from non-US medical schools (1 of those was from a Caribbean medical school).</p>
<p>Artlovers! </p>
<p>she should definitely go to a DO school BEFORE going to a Caribbean school…that’s a no-brainer. The residencies are now going to be the same for DO and MD. </p>
<p>At the better DO schools better than a 3.1 is needed so don’t think those are only for those with low GPAs.</p>
<p>What schools are on her list?</p>
<p>Does she have:</p>
<p>SLU
Loyola Chicago
Medical College of Wisconsin
Creighton</p>
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<p>Who is saying THAT? You’re talking about people who went to FOREIGN med schools. The ones who are saying that ranking doesn’t matter much/at all for med schools are talking about US MD schools.</p>
<p>Artlovers…what is your home state?</p>
<p>All med schools don’t cost about the same. Your instate public should be lower.</p>