<p>This is debatable. As I noted earlier in my post, when my H interviews new doctors, they look at everything. Someone from Yale, UCSF and the like will likely get the nod first if they came out of well-regarded residencies. If you don’t care about location, any MD will get a position. Look at small towns in midwest, deep south or places with harsh weather, like Buffalo, there will be tons of MDs from lower tier medical schools and foreign medical graduates.</p>
<p>Both my kids did not go into medicine and I am glad though my H loves what he does. My future DIL just came out of a pediatric residency in NYC and many of her colleagues have to go out of NYC to get a job. She was lucky to find something in Manhattan and she was a chief resident. If she went upstate NY or in the suburbs of NJ, she will likely find a job easily. But my son needs to live and work in Manhattan.</p>
<p>You are taking it out of context. Artlover said at Kaiser in the Bay Area, there are more foreign medical graduates. But at Sutter, Mills, there are less.Same location, different draw.</p>
<p>One explanation, at Kaiser, the doctors are salaried. There’s no incentives to see more patients or work harder and patients are assigned. At Sutter, doctors are paid fee for service, if you see less patients, you earn less. If your reputation is not good, you make less. Some doctors who can’t make it in private group practice join Kaiser where your income is guaranteed.</p>
<p>home state CA
Schools we are looking at (my thoughts, not hers)</p>
<p>Commonwealth
Loma Linda
UCD
UCI
GWU
LSU-shreverport
Meharing
NY Med Coll
Uniformed
U Kansas
UNDakota
UT San Antonio
Creighton
Marshall
Howard
Texas Tech
Texas A&M
UMO Kansas</p>
<p>If I have to buy A house in Reno to make her resident of NV for UNV I will…as CA residents cannot apply UNV medical school even with OOS status.</p>
<p>Checked the Kaiser adult primary care physicians taking new patients at an office near the Sutter officechecked previously. Out of 10, 4 came from non-US medical schools (none of those from Caribbean medical schools). Of the 6 from US medical schools, 3 came from DO schools. For comparison, the nearby Sutter office had 21, of which 7 were from non-US medical schools (1 of those from the Caribbean), with 0 from DO schools.</p>
<p>But given the small sample sizes, the comparisons may vary in different locations.</p>
<p>Even within the small sample size, it appears that many of those from non-US medical schools are immigrants from countries like India, China, or Russia who went to medical schools in those countries.</p>
<p>The stats you quoted are insignificant, so at Sutter, 7 docs out of 21 taking new patients are FMGs and 4 out of 10 at Kaiser are FMGs. You are only looking at those who are taking new patients… what about the total? Did Artlovers read more than 10 diplomas at Kaiser ?</p>
<p>Believe me, a Caribbean educated doctor at Kaiser used to be my tenant, he rented for several years before he can afford a 2 bedroom house. The house is not in a good location, next to highway although it is in a good town. He is in Emergency room of Kaiser. It took him a year for him trying to find a fellowship and did not succeed.</p>
<p>OTOH, the Albany educated doctor of internal medicine in Sutter has his own office with 4 or 5 employees, two receptionists. Lives in a 2 Million + house in Hillsborough, now houses there can go as much as 20 million.</p>
<p>I used adult primary care physicians taking new patients because that is the selection that an adult new to the area, changing medical provider due to insurance change (Kaiser <-> non-Kaiser), or changing primary physician will have to choose from. But perhaps to get a larger sample, a larger range covering more of the medical offices for each organization may be helpful.</p>
<p>Both organizations have physician searches on their web sites, including listing where physicians got their MD or DO degrees and did their residencies, so you can do your own check using whichever subset of physicians you want to use.</p>
<p>Each time I was at Kaiser (I was in more than one Kaiser locations around bay area, which covers from Pinole to S. San Jose - a 100 mile apart), I do look around the photos of attending doctors whenever I can. I think the doctors at Kaiser is only 10% American med school educated.</p>
<p>The way Sutter (and presumably Kaiser) offices are organized (from my viewpoint as an occasional user/patient over the years), it is unlikely that a physician has his/her own four or five support staff and receptionists, as opposed to shared support staff and receptionists for many physicians working in the same office.</p>
<p>In any case, your comparison is an even smaller sample size than mine.</p>
<p>The point really is: anyone who comes out of “well-regarded residencies” is going to get the nod whether they came from UCSF or if they came from G’town or if they came from SUNY Upstate</p>
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Commonwealth
Loma Linda
UCD
UCI
GWU
LSU-shreverport
Meharing
NY Med Coll
Uniformed
U Kansas
UNDakota
UT San Antonio
Creighton
Marshall
Howard
Texas Tech
Texas A&M
UMO Kansas
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<p>It is really hard to get into those OOS publics without being MD/PhD. I don’t think LSU-S takes any OOS that aren’t MD/XXX. And, Texas med schools lean so heavily towards instate, those may be wasted apps as well even though those apps are “cheap” so to speak. She needs to add SLU, Loyola Chicago, Medical College of Wisconsin, Rush, and a few other mid/low level privates. </p>
<p>Yes they are different but not by much, variations in the 10K/year range, to me it is about the same.</p>
<p>Now if you can get into Baylor, your cost is much lower. UT San Antonio, Texas Tech and T A&M will be my target(my DD’s score is on the plus side for those), they are much cheaper even for OOS.</p>
<p>Don’t know about SUNY upstate. We are in CA.
I know Kaiser residencies are not too well regarded.
Is SUNY upstate the same as University of Oklahoma, or University of Mississippi?</p>
<p>Kaiser: 25 total, 15 US MD, 2 US DO, 3 NP, 5 non-US MD (0 Caribbean)
Sutter affiliates: 31 total, 17 US MD, 2 US DO, 12 non-US MD (2 Caribbean)</p>
<p>It is not especially obvious that Kaiser or Sutter has any particular bias with respect to US versus non-US medical school origins of their physicians.</p>