<p>Hello all!
I was recently accepted in to a program through the Center for Community College Partnerships (CCCP) based out of the Academic Advancement Program (AAP) at UCLA. I applied to this program to increase my chances of getting accepted to UCLA, and because I am interested in social justice. Does anyone have any information regarding the likelihood of getting accepted in to UCLA in the fall after completing this program? This program is a one year commitment, and I check in with an academic counselor monthly for the next year. I am interested in transferring as a Comm major ( I know, right?), and looking for any opportunity to increase my chances. Any help would be appreciated.</p>
<p>Congrats on getting CCCP, I now many people that work for CCCP and they you will have a blast getting into the summer program</p>
<p>short answer: Yes,</p>
<p>long answer: hard to explain, let just say that your application will definitely get than one look before they put it in the reject pile.</p>
<p>Thank you! I am really looking forward to the program this summer.</p>
<p>Oh, you mean “[url=<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Soviet_Union-1989-Coin-0.50.jpg]CCCP[/url”>File:Soviet Union-1989-Coin-0.50.jpg - Wikipedia]CCCP[/url</a>] programs” is not about studying the Soviet Union in Russian? :)</p>
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<p>EH95051,</p>
<p>Which program are you doing this summer with CCCP? It doesn’t really matter, though, I’m just curios. Ok, so you just got accepted and joined the CCCP program at UCLA, congrats. I, too, am a “scholar” from the program. I joined CCCP last year for the 2012-2013 academic year (the year before yours basically), and tomorrow on Saturday, June 22, 2013, I will be heading to UCLA for the Culmination Ceremony (basically the banquet thing at the end of the year to celebrate the completion of the program) to celebrate the accomplishments of everyone involved in the program. </p>
<p>Like you, I was doing everything in my power to raise my chances of getting into UCLA. I joined different programs, got involved, and was doing the best I could under the circumstances I was/am facing. I applied this year to UCLA for 2013 Fall and thought I had a really good shot of getting in, especially after joining CCCP and talking to the people in it and also with the “connections” I had, but – unfortunately – I still got denied, twice (I appealed). So what GPA did I have? 3.302 GPA (however, my GPA went up to a 3.45 after the 2013 Spring Term). What was my major? Business Economics. Like your major, Communications, it was very impacted. I am not your typical applicant, either. Furthermore, I have a lot of things/accomplishments under my belt. I could go into details about it, but I won’t. I could have had a way higher GPA, but life happened…</p>
<p>So how is the program? Well, the program is ok, I think. A lot of the stuff they covered and talked about during their “workshops” were just review for me, because I already knew a lot of the information, and I learned this information on my own or through a different program. Still, I’m sure it was very helpful for people who didn’t share my knowledge, AND NO I’M NOT BEING ARROGANT haha. Anyways, there were stuff that I didn’t know and did learn thanks to CCCP. It was a small amount, but that small amount was enough for me to justify it being an ok of a program. I always welcome new knowledge, whether it be a little or a lot. Furthermore, through each Saturday academy, they get you hyped up about being part of the program, almost as if they were winking at you and basically guaranteeing your acceptance. They never mention that you won’t get accepted until you actually do. They try to keep everything nice and colorful and never tell you the harsh reality. Furthermore, they give you vague answers every time you ask about your chances, even if you talk to Santi or Alfred. Once you do get denied (hopefully you don’t), they will contact you about a workshop on the appeal process. In there, they talk about how there is a small chance but don’t count on it and how they keep pushing you to stay at your CC an extra year if you really want to go to UCLA. Personally, I know if I would have stayed at my CC an extra year (I just transferred in two years), I could have been accepted forsure, without a doubt, but I decided not to because of my personal situation. My original plan was to stay a third-year at my CC, no matter where else I got accepted to, if I didn’t get into UCLA (I got into UCR, UCSB, UC Davis, and UCM), but like I said – life happened. Also, before I forget, you will be assigned a Peer-Mentor that you will be required to meet with (or skype or have a phone-call with) for, if I remember correctly, 30-60 minutes at least once a month. If you live in the LA-area, you will most likely get to meet with your peer-mentor more often and be more personal with them. Different peer-mentors are assigned to different community colleges in the LA-area and are required to be there at certain hours in certain days. If you live outside the LA-area, it wont feel very personal (it did for me at least).</p>
<p>So, should you still stick with the program? I think yes. It can’t hurt – it can only help you. You will enjoy the program. Plus, I always enjoy taking trips to UCLA and walking around the campus, and I’m sure you will, too. Sometimes, after the Saturday academy is over, I would just walk around for an hour or two and enjoy the beauty of UCLA and imagine myself there as a student… I hope this helps. If you need more info or help, don’t be afraid to contact me. I am more than willing to help :)</p>
<p>FYI, I’m heading to UCSB this 2013 Fall! Even though I won’t be going to UCLA for my undergraduate, I know for a matter of fact that I will attend UCLA for grad school!</p>
<p>Congrats Jmod11 on getting into UCSB, I’m sorry that you could not join us at UCLA. The reality is that Business/Econ is the most impacted major in the college of letters and science. The average GPA admitted for Business-Econ is a 3.9, so a 3.3 would almost be rejected. I also wanted to be biz Econ however with a 3.7 GPA I knew that I wasant competitive, I got into UCLA as Math/Econ which IMO is better preparation to MBA program than biz Econ. Had u applied as regular Econ or math/Econ you would have had a stronger chance of admittance.</p>
<p>Dagoberto, thank you. I knew all that before even applying, but I wanted to try than not try at all, you know? I stand by my decision. If I were to stay an extra year, I could have probably raised my GPA to like a 3.6ish maybe 3.7, and I would have completed the four remaining honor courses I needed to be TAP certified. I had my all my classes planned out and everything, too lol. Everything happens for a reason, though. Congrats, though, to you!!! I hope you’re loving it! 
Plus, I’m not interested in an MBA (at least not right now haha). I want to earn my doctorate in Economics!</p>
<p>JMod11 I’m happy that you are happy at UCLA, I also got accepted to UCSB and had I not been an older non-traditional student I would definitely gone to UCSB. However my age as well as other factors prevent me from leaving the city of L.A.</p>
<p>I want to give some advice, if u are really serious about pursuing an Econ phd then you chose the wrong major. The majority of students at UCLA phd students get their undergrad degree in Applied math not Economics. The level of math required for an elite Econ phd student is intense.</p>
<p>The BARE minimum at a top phd program is lower division calculus, multi variable calculus, linear algebra, and differential equation…</p>
<p>To have a shot u would need
Upper division math in: linear algebra, differential equation</p>
<p>To be more competitive you need:
Real analysis, complex analysis, abstract algebra (dealing with fields and rings)</p>
<p>The truth is that when u apply to a phd program your math grades will have a far greater impact than your Econ grades. Also the business/Econ major at ucla is intended for people that want to work in nice corporate jobs straight out of college. A biz/Econ will not prepare you for a Econ phd. In fact math/Econ was created at ucla to provide a more rigorous mathematical treatment of economics to prepare for Econ PHD.</p>
<p>IMO you should definitely consider the economics/mathematics major at Ucsb. I don’t want to be the bearer of bad news but I’d rather u know this info today instead after graduation.</p>
<p>Meant to say congrats on getting into UCSB.</p>
<p>Dagoberto,</p>
<p>I know what you meant 
haha</p>
<p>I knew a Ph.D. in Economics required a lot of math, but not to that level of intensity lol. Thank you for reminding me. I almost forgot about that and I will keep that in mind. The farthest I gone was Calculus II (Integration, Series, and Polar Coordinates), and I got an A in that course and the first Calculus course, too. I guess you can say I have a 4.0 in math so far lol. I am most likely going to keep on taking math courses, then. I’m pretty sure I can an A in Calculus III, too (Multi-Variable). As for Linear Algebra or Differential Equation, I don’t even know what to expect in those courses. And for those other upper-division courses you mentioned, God only knows what goes on in there.</p>
<p>Are you a senior at UCLA, Dagoberto? Do you know some of these Ph.D. students at UCLA? How do you feel about some of those math courses I have yet to take?</p>
<p>As of right now, I will probably take math courses on top of what I already had plan. Also, to be honest, I’m not too sure about earning my doctorate, but I will definitely earn my Masters in Economics. I am leaning towards my doctorate, though. We’ll see with time.</p>
<p>Again, I appreciate your input, Dagoberto.</p>
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<p>EH95051,</p>
<p>I am sorry for hijacking your thread ._.</p>
<p>Yes I am a senior (finally), it took me like 100 years to transfer from a community college and next year I finally want to get my degree.</p>
<p>I’m glad that you did well in calc 1&2, </p>
<p>Calc 3 is defiantly harder since you are dealing with with multi variables… I got an A in calc 1 and 2 ended up getting a C on multi. Don’t underestimate multi variable</p>
<p>Differential equations is like calc 2 on steroids, all you learn is finding different ways to I intergrate.</p>
<p>Linear algebra is learning about matrices (from high school), however u go deeper.</p>
<p>As for upper division</p>
<p>Linear algebra , same as lower division but more proof base, it starts getting abstract…</p>
<p>Real analysis, is like taking calculus again but proof based… This is the beginning of rigorous proofs, in math department this class is what separates the men from the boys</p>
<p>Abstract algebra- ignore it, this is more useful in math phd</p>
<p>Additionally I would highly recommend :</p>
<p>Numerical analysis- like newtons method on crack!!</p>
<p>I would recommend these Statistics classes:</p>
<p>Probability: permutations and combinations</p>
<p>Another statistic class would be statistical methods, is like taking the community college statistics that every person struggles and injecting meth on it. By that I mean that you have to prove all those formulas that people use cheat sheets for.</p>
<p>I’m guessing the name Jmod11 implies you graduates HS in 2011, that means you are probably 20 or 21 years old. If you still that young then santi and Alfred are correct, you would be better off staying a 3rd year at CC’s. </p>
<p>The way I see it you have 2 choices:</p>
<p>1) stay an extra year at Moreno valley and try to apply to UCLA or Berkeley… </p>
<p>2) plan to stay 3 years at UCSB so you can not only get do the bare minimal requirements but go above and beyond with your math.</p>
<p>I know That my words sound frustrating and u you feel that u want to graduate ASAP, but In The long run you will be closing more doors in your future by trying to rush stuff. I speak from experience And I have tried to rush myself however I would have been better off being a little more patient. </p>
<p>Again this implies you are in your early 20’s, if you are in your late twenties or above you can ignore the advice. At that age I feel is better off graduating early and jump into the job market.</p>
<p>One more thing… Any school any top ranked economics school does not offer master of economics, they mainly focus on research so they only offer phd.
UCLA does not offer master degree in Econ, only phd</p>
<p>The only masters of Econ ucla offers is in the honors program, is for undergrads that show potential and start taking graduate level courses while still receiving undergrad</p>
<p>However, IMO getting a PHd in Econ is not all great to be, plenty of Economics Phd students are still nervous of landing jobs after graduation since the research is very theoretical and not very applicable in real world. Academia job prospects are very dim. </p>
<p>I know I sound like I’m contradicting myself so to summarize try to take as much math as u can, whether it be at UCSB or your local CC</p>
<p>Dagoberto,</p>
<p>I really appreciate you reaching out and appreciate all your advice. I know I can easily graduate from UCSB in two years but I am going to stay a third year on purpose for multiple reasons.</p>
<p>The 11 in my name was not meant from my graduating year from HS (it is a coincidence, though lol), it was meant for my birth month. I am 19 
I don’t live in Moreno Valley anymore, I wish!</p>
<p>Hey, once I get more posts, I’ll personal message you and we’ll continue this conversation, so we can keep this thread about CCCP lol</p>
<p>Last question, though, were you ever part of CCCP? I’ll PM you soon!</p>
<p>Hello Jmod11
I was accepted in to the Site + program, but was unable to attend a 6 week program on-campus if housing wasn’t provided. (I live in N. California) I am currently waiting for a decision to the the STP program. My GPA is competitive, but definitely not a 3.9. Like you, life has also “happened” to me. I have done tons of research on UCLA and the application process, but I feel the week long seminar would be helpful. I will be applying for the Fall '14 semester, and really wanted to join this program to make connections at the school. I have 2 friends who graduated from UCLA, and 1 who currently is attending grad school in the communication department, so I am hoping I can receive some great insight from them. I am getting a recommendation letter from a past professor at UCLA and I have very strong extracurriculars, so all I can do is remain hopeful. Thank you so much for all of you feedback because you explained a lot. Good luck at UCSB!</p>