<p>How hard is it to get into UCLA OOS? What other schools is it comparable to concerning difficulty?</p>
<p>I've heard that it's comparable to lower ivies if your OOS.</p>
<p>Lower to mid ivies OOS for UCLA, and mid-high ivies OOS for Berkeley.</p>
<p>Ugh. Lower ivies? Ick.</p>
<p>UCLA is basically impossible for out of state students. Only 7% of UCLA and Berkeley students are from out of state. That's about 330-340 kids each year.</p>
<p>The heavy weight placed on AI in UC schools and the lack of affirmative action basically means that you're admitted on stats alone. And to justify admitting kids from out of state, the UCs ONLY admit TOP students.</p>
<p>You don't go to UCLA instead of your state U, you go to UCLA instead of any other elite school (Northwestern to WashU to Harvard).</p>
<p>Its difficult, but not impossible. And I wouldn't count anyone out on stats alone, I can speak from personal experience. 4 people (including me) applied to UCLA from a school in Texas. I had the highest stats SAT wise and 2nd GPA wise. Everyone got in, except for me. Even someone with an SAT 250 points lower and a gpa a few points lower got in. :(</p>
<p>If 7% of UCLA admits are OOS, I know a large portion of that is athletes recruited by UCLA.</p>
<p>@ ses</p>
<p>No, it's not anywhere remotely close to impossible. Also, it doesn't matter how many out of state students get accepted (and the number you stated was likely the number that actually matriculated, not just the number admitted), it matters what percentage get accepted.</p>
<p>"UCLA received approximately 8,000 applications from out-of-state and international freshman applicants for the fall 2006 term. Approximately 2,300 of them were admitted." <a href="http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/Prospect/Top10/FAQgeneral.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/Prospect/Top10/FAQgeneral.htm</a></p>
<p>At 28.75%, the admissions rate for out of state/international students was actually less selective than the overall admit rate, however, the applicant pool is also significantly more self-selecting.</p>
<p>"The heavy weight placed on AI in UC schools and the lack of affirmative action basically means that you're admitted on stats alone."</p>
<p>Actually last year, UCLA started holistic admissions, which basically means that unlike before, the entire application is viewed together, so accomplishments are put into context, rather than being viewed in separate isolated sections. ... What in the world does AA have to do with anything at all? UCLA does and has always considered things aside from solely stats (just thankfully not race.)</p>
<p>Also: "It should be noted, however, that because UCLA does not use a mathematical formula when evaluating applicants, there is no fixed numerical weight attached to either GPA or test scores." (from same webpage)</p>
<p>Even OOS, UCLA's admissions are far from on par with Harvard or Wash U.</p>
<p>@ OP, you probably would have gotten better answers on the UCLA subforum, there's also a thread somewhere with OOS acceptances.</p>
<p>charisma, I definitely agree with the percentage you posted, but, as you said, it is self-selecting, and much more competitive than in-state. For example, SATs tend to be 150-200 points higher. Also, someone else mentioned this, but some of those are athletes as well, especially bc it is such a huge sports school.</p>
<p>lower Ivies, no way. But, please know that the UCs are mighty expensive for OOS students (~$44k when you add it all up), and finaid is poor. For that kinda money, you might find better "value" at a private college.</p>
<p>OP, if you do apply, essays are also extremely important for Cal and UCLA.</p>
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<p>lol! yet another attempt to make it like Stanford. let's put in another way--in order to be mid-high ivies OOS in terms of admission, it needs to be mid-high ivies in terms of desirability. why would i want to pay oos tuition for berkeley when i pay not much more (and in many cases, less because of better fa packages from those privates) for hyps, columbia?</p>
<p>as Charisma showed us, the admit rate for ucla isn't that different from in-state. i imagine berkeley is similar in this regard.</p>
<p>vc:</p>
<p>pls post a link/report that shows the SAT scores for OOS acceptees...</p>
<p>I got in out of state with a 4.0, 2160, 800 US, and 650 Math 2, so the myth that getting into UCLA out-of-state is comparable to an ivy may be a bit hyperbolic. </p>
<p>Additionally, my friend, also out-of-state, got in with a 1910 and also a 4.0. </p>
<p>Do not get me wrong, it is hard, but when I was applying everyone made it seem as if it was almost impossible.</p>
<p>It's not nearly as difficult as people say it is IN MY EXPERIENCE. Three people in my graduating class (out of state) applied, and all 3 got in. None of these people were exceptional - definitely not qualified for the Ivy League. But again, this is just from my experience.</p>
<p>I'm OOS and got in.</p>
<p>According to the USNWR book, UCLA doesn't consider state residency (although the other UCs do).</p>
<p>I've seen a lot of students with much lower states from OOS who got in this year. This maybe the year that UCLA favors OOS. They are the ones paying full fare and because of the budget problem that maybe an advantage.</p>
<p>22% California Residents
17% Non-California Residents
22% International</p>
<p>First, several UC's are taking more OOS students this year and probably into the future because of the CA budget crisis.</p>
<p>Second, it is not true it's like getting into any ivy. The average overall SAT score at UCLA of accepted students is 2050. The average of enrolled students is lower. So a 2100, which would not get most unhooked applicants into any ivy, is quite high at UCLA. And ivies are looking for kids at the very top of their class, UCLA, not so much.</p>
<p>The big issue as I see it is asking yourself why you want to pay $45K/yr for a school in crisis with a low 4 year graduation rate. when all is said and done it will cost the same price as a top private college with much better resources and a much higher 4 year grad rate. And there's almost no chance of any aid beyond the small amount of Federal low income kids will get anywhere.</p>
<p>There may be a couple of programs worth the money, but very few IMO.</p>