<p>I would go with UCLA. I am from New York, and live in Florida, and follow college admissions closely, and I have never really even heard much about Chapman.</p>
<p>UCLA, on the other hand, has a world renknowned reputation. Mothers in shacks in rural China dream about sending their kids to UCLA.</p>
<p>“I would go with UCLA. I am from New York, and live in Florida, and follow college admissions closely, and I have never really even heard much about Chapman.”</p>
<p>LOL. I know of people from other countries never heard of UCLA either.</p>
<p>Hmm…look at which schools getting the jobs.
[Four</a> law alumni among new hires in Orange County DA office](<a href=“http://blogs.chapman.edu/happenings/2011/09/28/four-law-alumni-among-new-hires-in-orange-county-da-office/]Four”>http://blogs.chapman.edu/happenings/2011/09/28/four-law-alumni-among-new-hires-in-orange-county-da-office/)</p>
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<p>Right…because i’m sure those people have heard of Chapman :rolleyes: (and if you want to make the argument that you know someone who’s heard of chapman and not UCLA, i’m assuming they don’t have a friend/relative who goes to chapman; as many people who don’t have friends/relatives who go to UCLA still know about it.)</p>
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<p>So let me get this straight: you link to a job listing for the Orange County DA office, and then are surprised that Chapman, which is located in Orange County, is represented in it? That’s not really that impressive, regardless of whether “hundreds of applicants applied.” </p>
<p>If you look at TLS, UCLA is ranked at 15, whereas chapman is ranked, vaguely, at “>100”</p>
<p>[Top</a> 2012 Law School Rankings](<a href=“http://top-law-schools.com/rankings.html]Top”>Law School Rankings)</p>
<p>No one here’s saying that chapman’s a bad school, it just isn’t as good of a school as UCLA. There’s just a level of difference between some schools. I don’t go around saying that UCLA is on Stanford’s level, even though they’re both california schools. Stanford is much more well rounded, and has many more resources, than UCLA probably ever will. The fact of the matter is Chapman just isn’t as good as UCLA.</p>
<p>the chapman homerism is getting old. ucla is much better than chapman in almost every way possible.</p>
<p>chapman is a fine institution, but it’s not on the level of ucla. that isn’t an insult, by the way. not many schools are on ucla’s level.</p>
<p>and this is coming from a trojan.</p>
<p>" So let me get this straight: you link to a job listing for the Orange County DA office, and then are surprised that Chapman, which is located in Orange County, is represented in it? That’s not really that impressive, regardless of whether “hundreds of applicants applied.”</p>
<p>That was used to demonstrate the strength of the Chapman programs in the SoCal communities, since both schools are located in the SoCal area. Frankly, Chapman students are everywhere. As an example, here’s another link with more Chapman students in other areas as well, not just in SoCal.
[Chapman</a> University - Dodge College of Film and Media Arts information courtesy of the College Index in the Media 411 database at TVJobs.com](<a href=“http://media411.tvjobs.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?Z=&c=13&k=657]Chapman”>http://media411.tvjobs.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?Z=&c=13&k=657)</p>
<p>" No one here’s saying that chapman’s a bad school, it just isn’t as good of a school as UCLA. There’s just a level of difference between some schools. I don’t go around saying that UCLA is on Stanford’s level, even though they’re both california schools. Stanford is much more well rounded, and has many more resources, than UCLA probably ever will. The fact of the matter is Chapman just isn’t as good as UCLA."</p>
<p>No one said UCLA is a bad school either. Each institution is different in different areas. Some programs are stronger than others. So to say Chapman is not in the same level, that is ridiculous. As an example, Chapman has a strong film and media arts program, many would consider Chapman’s program over the UCLA’s program, because students can’t be admitted to the UCLA’s program their freshmen year. That’s another reason why Chapman is our first choice school in addition to Chapman has better benefits in merit-aid and grants, etc. No offense. The OP was looking into health sciences. Chapman also has a strong health science program. With that said, it’s up to the OP to decide what fits him better, large class sizes or small class sizes, public or private.</p>
<p>Sorry to weigh in late here, but Chapman has absolutely nothing on UCLA, sorry. UCLA, though very large, is world renowned in numerous fields and reputed to have excellent prospects both in the job market and for graduate school for its undergrads. It isn’t for everyone, but regardless, Chapman has none of that. Poor placement rates, sub par education etc. And seventh among western schools, honestly? It’s seventh among western schools that aren’t good enough to rank among the expansive rankings for everything higher. There are north, south, east and West rankings. So, given around 150 nationally ranked national universities, you have Chapman at 49 below (7*4) which doesn’t even include quality LACs. A community college in all but name. </p>
<p>@Ocelite, you clearly have some extreme obsession with Chapman college (I think I saw you rate it above Stanford in some ranking board (Apparently 4th ranked California college on the western regional ranking puts it above Stanford at 5 on national university rankings)), and it raises a little suspicion on my part. Such blatant and thorough parroting of the publicity pamphlet hints at some weird ***** going on.</p>
<p>OP, if the money is right, do everything you can to go to UCLA. If it isn’t, go through the community college system, save a couple years and then transfer, a great option used by a large number of students.Best of luck.</p>
<p>(Fun thought @Ocelite concerning media departments, UCLA is world renowned for its film programs counting some of the greats among actors and directors in its alumni. It comes to rivaling USC in that respect. I’ve never even heard of a chapman graduate in big film)</p>
<p>“Sorry to weigh in late here, but Chapman has absolutely nothing on UCLA, sorry. UCLA, though very large, is world renowned in numerous fields and reputed to have excellent prospects both in the job market and for graduate school for its undergrads. It isn’t for everyone, but regardless, Chapman has none of that. Poor placement rates, sub par education etc. And seventh among western schools, honestly? It’s seventh among western schools that aren’t good enough to rank among the expansive rankings for everything higher. There are north, south, east and West rankings. So, given around 150 nationally ranked national universities, you have Chapman at 49 below (7*4) which doesn’t even include quality LACs. A community college in all but name.”</p>
<p>To help you to understand the difference between national ranking and regional ranking.
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/982030-what-difference-between-regional-national-usnwr-list.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/982030-what-difference-between-regional-national-usnwr-list.html</a>
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1093427-u-s-news-national-vs-regional-rankings-2.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1093427-u-s-news-national-vs-regional-rankings-2.html</a></p>
<p>" Fun thought @Ocelite concerning media departments, UCLA is world renowned for its film programs counting some of the greats among actors and directors in its alumni. It comes to rivaling USC in that respect. I’ve never even heard of a chapman graduate in big film"</p>
<p>Don’t know what planet you’re on.</p>
<p>[Sundancing</a> With Ben York Jones and Like Crazy - Page 1 - Movies - Orange County - OC Weekly](<a href=“http://www.ocweekly.com/2011-02-03/film/ben-york-jones-like-crazy-sundance/]Sundancing”>http://www.ocweekly.com/2011-02-03/film/ben-york-jones-like-crazy-sundance/)</p>
<p>[2012</a> SJ Movie Awards Best 4 Year Film Schools | Screen Junkies](<a href=“Screen Junkies - YouTube”>Screen Junkies - YouTube)
[UCLA</a> vs. CHAPMAN - Topic](<a href=“http://www.studentfilms.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5486066451/m/724108272]UCLA”>http://www.studentfilms.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5486066451/m/724108272)</p>
<p>" Ocelite, you clearly have some extreme obsession with Chapman college (I think I saw you rate it above Stanford in some ranking board (Apparently 4th ranked California college on the western regional ranking puts it above Stanford at 5 on national university rankings)), and it raises a little suspicion on my part. Such blatant and thorough parroting of the publicity pamphlet hints at some weird ***** going on."</p>
<p>Actually, to be honest, it’s the UCLA people on this thread and the other UCLA vs. Chapman threads who are the ones that are obsessed. Just look at how many threads the OP has created about UCLA vs. Chapman. LOL.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1309833-ucla-chapman-3.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1309833-ucla-chapman-3.html</a>
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/chapman-university/1315724-chapman-vs-ucla.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/chapman-university/1315724-chapman-vs-ucla.html</a></p>
<p>Btw, I’ve only mentioned someone that I know who had applied to Chapman had also applied to Stanford and Caltech, just to describe the caliber of the student body. It has nothing to do with any ranking. If you really want to know the student selectivity, Chapman is ranked #1 this year according to the Chapman’s State of the University Address.
[02/24/12</a> 2012 State of the University Address by President James Doti](<a href=“http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=b80dbadcd87d4230b0760eddafb1b00c1d]02/24/12”>http://ibc.chapman.edu/Mediasite/Viewer/?peid=b80dbadcd87d4230b0760eddafb1b00c1d)</p>
<p>@Ocelite, did UCLA not acccept u or something? Tryna ■■■■■ other people now?</p>
<p>I would not take any advice regarding a school in Orange County from someone names “OCELITE”. Now, I as well live in Orange County, and am aware of the die hard obsession some individuals have regarding Chapman. At the same time, Chapman does hold a place of ridicule among others for being a sort of reject school for kids that wanted to go to USC; also it is known around the area for having rich snobby kids that think they are practically going to an Ivy, and are therefore better than you. Now, there are exceptions, as in film and music. Also, Business and Finances at Chapman are respectable. In regards to prestige, UCLA obviously beats Chapman out. In regards to student life, UCLA beats Chapman out. In regards to, if you are from the area, wanting to stay close to home and be completely comfortable, than Chapman wins. You can get lost in the UC system though, as it is infamously known for. </p>
<p>Last thing, and then I will let OCELITE continue to valiantly defend Chapman. Some individuals in Orange County have to choose between UCI or Chapman on an average basis. Many of them chose UCI for various reasons.</p>
<p>“did UCLA not acccept u or something? Tryna ■■■■■ other people now?”</p>
<p>LOL. As I have said before, Chapman is the first choice film school for DS. DS didn’t even consider applying to the UCLA’s film program because they don’t offer a program for freshmen. We’ve visited the school though. All in all, Chapman is better fit for DS, great film programs, size and benefits, etc. DS is happy there.</p>
<p>cardoza, Really? I sense a little jealousy there.</p>
<p>For OP, Good luck with your decision.</p>
<p>OCELITE:</p>
<p>jealousy? Of what? Of being a Rich White Kid? Sorry to burst your bubble, but I live in one of the most expensive areas in the country, in well, the center of Orange County. The only difference is that I understand what the real world is. And if you are talking about getting into Chapman, I can assure you with a 4.8 GPA, top 1%, and stellar EC’s, I am definitely qualified, if not over.</p>
<p>cardoza,
Perhaps on the way back down to earth, you may realize that not everyone with a stellar academic record is going to get into Chapman either. As I recall a while back, one of the cc posters quoted: “a 4.5 weighted / 4.0 unweighted GPA. Lots of ECs…Accepted to USC and UCLA, rejected to chapman…what happened here?”</p>
<p>There is no guarantee just because you have a stellar academic record. There are other factors as well, such as talent, etc. Just because someone decides to go to Chapman doesn’t make them a snob. It’s the same way at any school. I also know of families with kids at Chapman who also got accepted to UCI and other fine schools, it’s for safety reasons. With that said, it’s time to move on.</p>
<p>Chapman does not belong in the same conversation as UCLA unless it’s less costly.</p>
<p>OCELITE,</p>
<p>The mention of my academic record was not to boast of my ability, but more so to ridicule your ridiculous accusations falsely warranted with no backing, whether concrete or inferred from my post. I would actually like to see a link regarding the aforementioned thread, because I would like to learn from it. Also, I did not say that all students at Chapman are snobs, for many of them are probably very down to earth and generally humble people, yet instead that I know of many that are, as well as the fact that the school has a reputation for it. Talent is reflected in ECs most commonly, i.e. musical, theatrical, film, artistic, athletic, and charismatic talent.</p>
<p>On a side note, if anyone is choosing between Chapman and UCI based on safety, I would strongly, strongly recommend attending UCI, located in what is referred to as the safest city in America, Irvine. The area a few blocks away from Chapman begins to get sketchy.</p>
<p>fliqer, It’s call merit-scholarships, talent scholarships, and grants, etc.</p>
<p>cardoza, Here’s your backing. Have a nice day.
by poster Amyyy (with gpa stats)
[College</a> Confidential Discussion](<a href=“http://www.collegeconfidential.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?8/43269]College”>http://www.collegeconfidential.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?8/43269)</p>
<p>Here are others.
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/chapman-university/911868-what-schools-did-you-turn-down-chapman.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/chapman-university/911868-what-schools-did-you-turn-down-chapman.html</a></p>
<p>The man on the street would know UCLA, not Chapman. That’s the truth.</p>
<p>“The man on the street would know UCLA, not Chapman. That’s the truth.”</p>
<p>Really? Is that why UCLA and USC get robbed all the time?</p>
<p>[UCLA</a> Student Robbed At Gunpoint In North Village CBS Los Angeles](<a href=“http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/04/09/ucla-student-robbed-at-gunpoint-in-north-village/]UCLA”>UCLA Student Robbed At Gunpoint In North Village - CBS Los Angeles)</p>
<p>[Two</a> USC Students From China Shot, Killed Near Campus - ABC News](<a href=“http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/04/two-usc-students-from-china-shot-killed-near-campus/]Two”>Two USC Students From China Shot, Killed Near Campus - ABC News)
[Armed</a> robbery near USC adds to students’ unease - latimes.com](<a href=“http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-usc-shooting-20120419,0,3686097.story]Armed”>Armed robbery near USC deepens students' unease)
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1322909-2-chinese-usc-students-murdered-2.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1322909-2-chinese-usc-students-murdered-2.html</a></p>
<p>^That kind of stuff happens everywhere. Don’t get butthurt just because UCLA > Chapman</p>
<p>^^ If it happens frequently, it’s called lack of security…meaning unsafe or in a bad area. Chapman bashing is not going to change the truth^.</p>
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<p>We can see that at least one parent of a Chapman student also seems to hold this sentiment :rolleyes:</p>
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<p>Christ man, this crime just happened a week ago. How about you try showing some class by not exploiting it for your pro-Chapman agenda (which is pretty obvious to everyone in this thread.)</p>
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<p>LOL, yes, i’m sure that Westwood, basically nestled between some of the most expensive property in the world, is “unsafe”</p>
<p>Every university has its own share of crime, including Chapman</p>
<p><a href=“Page Not Found | Chapman University”>http://www.chapman.edu/campus-services/public-safety/_files/clery-stats.pdf</a></p>
<p>If it does have less crime than UCLA, that’s probably due to population sizes rather than Chapman being a safer campus than UCLA.</p>
<p>You can defend Chapman as vehemently as you wish. However, I (highly) doubt you’ve succeeded in convincing anyone.</p>