UCLA vs. USC

<p>Meh. Screw Stanford.</p>

<p>Hey, here's a joke that I heard from MTV's Yo momma, "Yo mom is like UCLA, every football season...she gets rape by a team of trojans."</p>

<p>as far as i know, UCLA football still has more winning streaks against USC</p>

<p>Yes but not in the last 8ish years. People forget quickly.</p>

<p>But thats ok. Tides shall turn again. Someday.</p>

<p>"Anyways, dynasties come to an end, and I believe this is the year."</p>

<p>See that's the thing, you "believe" it's coming to an end, because you want it to come to an end so that Cal can win. That's different that looking at what the program has done in the past few years with their recruits, watching them dominate the entire nation, reloading every year, checking out their soft schedule, and then making comments. Tennessee, Miami, Florida State, Michigan, and Florida aren't elite programs anymore. USC vs. any of those teams would be a USC victory. It's USC and then everyone else in college football. And i'm not a USC fan, believe me, I don't even hail from that side of the country. I'm to say it's not USC's year to flop, because their roster is more talented than any roster in the country, they have the best coach in the country, they won 32 straight games, return a few All Americans, and have shown in seasons past that they can reload and still finish with 1 or 0 losses.</p>

<p>You're flaunting that 8-4 record like it's something good. 8-4 isn't an elite program, 8-4 gets a coach fired or put on the hot seat at an elite program. And that's 4 losses in the weak Pac 10. There are 3-4 teams in the Pac 10, and then the rest of the conference plays like the Mountain West. I don't know what makes you think they are going to "surprise" anyone, they are a good team, Tennessee is a good team, but that's not going to make USC, a great team, lose to them, or even lose the Pac 10.</p>

<p>McGizzle, I do know of NFL Draft Blitz. There is a reason I don't visit that site. You charge money for people to see crappy draft rankings that get beat by amateur sites in competitions each year. It screams mediocre.</p>

<p>We've made giant changes over the last few months. The site look was completely redesigned, the staff of writers almost all changed, and the people in charged have changed. Either way, I've made myself very available, what have you done? I personally see no profit for my web work there. The previous owner apparently did, then the new guys came in and didn't even want to go premium, but previous subscribers wanted it and besides, something has to pay for server costs when you get that many visitors.</p>

<p>USC has a great team. Carroll is a great football mind and the players they get are top notch talents. That doesn't mean they're invincible. I mean, was it that long ago since they were inches from losing to Notre Dame, an incomplete pass from losing to Cal, and a couple bad calls from losing to Virginia Tech and a very mediocare UCLA? On top of their game, completely focused, yes USC will come out and destroy anyone. That's a giant assumption to make. Right now their players are the toast of the town. They're huge sports stars in LA, and they can get in trouble and get away with it. Now they're supposed to come out and bring it every week against teams gunning for them, through all the distractions. Remember all it takes is one. One bad weekend and your hopes can be blown. It's what makes college football so exciting in the first place and what makes it so tough to win year in and year out (which makes their run already more impressive).</p>

<p>"Tennessee, Miami, Florida State, Michigan, and Florida aren't elite programs anymore."</p>

<p>Ur joking me right?</p>

<p>"You're flaunting that 8-4 record like it's something good."</p>

<p>Like I said before, this was in a rebuilding year, a year in which they had 3 different QBs throughout the season.</p>

<p>"I don't know what makes you think they are going to "surprise" anyone"</p>

<p>U dont? Well I do: they have a Heisman candidate in Lynch, a backup RB that had 1,000 yards last year; IMO, one of the top 3 receiving corps in the nation, an All-American in Mebane on the D-line, an All-American in Hughes in the secondary, they have many All PAC-10 players, plus they're installing a hybrid version of the spread offense from Dunbar (the Northwestern coach whos now the OC), which will put up even more numbers than last year. There, now u know.</p>

<p>Michigan doesn't scare anyone anymore. Ohio State has dominated them the past few years, Iowa has gotten the best of them, they've lost to Notre Dame the last 2 years, and struggled against lower leve competition (they should be blowing Michigan State out, and they have squeaked by the last 2 years). They aren't elite. Tennesse? Please. They lost to VANDERBILT. Florida State had 5 losses last year. Florida is the only one that could be considered elite, but Meyer doesn't have his players in his system quite yet. Leak doesn't fit that offense, and a team going to the Outback Bowl every other year isn't "elite". </p>

<p>When you are ranked preseason top 10, you aren't going to "surprise" anyone. That's not a "surprise" team. If they were unranked, then they would be considered a "surprise". But not when you are ranked preseason top 10. That's what i've been saying, I never once said they were a bad team, they don't deserve to be mentioned in the breath of USC though. Not when you pull off 4 straight #1 recruiting classes, 32 straight victories, 2 straight national championships, 3 of the last 4 heisman winners.</p>

<p>As for NFL Draft Blitz, congrats, the upgrade makes it look like a freewebs site. I loved the fake Reggie Bush interview. How a little known NFL draft site could possibly claim that they had an interview that ESPN and all the major media sources couldn't even get, make up writing, all in order to boost page hits, that was a brilliant idea.</p>

<p>Dude ur 1st paragraph just proved my point! Dynasties come to an end, thats what happened to all of those schools that u just described. Maybe u should read my posts a little better.</p>

<p>I think football is a silly thing to argue about. </p>

<p>But I don't care about football.</p>

<p>So carry on.</p>

<p>Football is the only sane thing to argue about. More so than politics.</p>

<p>Yes, but all those "dynasties" didn't have #1 overall recruiting classes and multiple heisman trophy winners. Those "dynasties" didn't have a cupcake schedule. Those weren't the same type of schools. USC's team last year was one of the best ever to step on the field. And they have shown time and time again that they will reload.</p>

<p>And I agree, football is good to talk about. Since I can't talk about my school's team, I have to talk about others. Politics are stupid.</p>

<p>I agree with ^^</p>

<p>"Yes, but all those "dynasties" didn't have #1 overall recruiting classes"</p>

<p>You rely too much on unproven raw HS talent. They havent taken a single college snap and u think they can just come in and deliver. That rarely happens. Remember AJ Hawk the All-American top-5 draft pick? He was a 3-star recruit.</p>

<p>"USC's team last year was one of the best ever to step on the field."</p>

<p>Except for they lost the NC.</p>

<p>"And they have shown time and time again that they will reload."</p>

<p>Time and time again?! They've been a "dynasty" for only the last three years! You need to take into account the years before that as well. As easy dynasties start, they collapse.</p>

<p>They've lost Palmer. They then went and got Leinart. They lost Fargas. Went and got Bush and White. Lost Keary Colbert and Mike Williams, got Dwyane Jarrett and Steve Smith, and Patrick Turner. Lost Jacob Rogers got Sam Baker and Winston Justice. They have shown many times that they reload. That's great that you can find some exemptions to the recruits, i'm sure there are tons of 1 stars that have been good players. But the bottom line is the better recruits, the better team, the better perception nationally, and USC has been #1 the past 4-5 years. They won 32 straight games, 2 straight national titles. They have shown they can reload, they have the tools there to reload (look at their roster, the 3rd stringters are even talented), and they have the schedule to reload. There isn't going to be any fall off, get out of dream world. This is a loaded team that lost a handful of players that they can easily replace.</p>

<p>Remember Miami's dynasty where they won like 34 games in a row? Well what happened to them? No more dynasty. Im sorry but you are the one in dream world where u think USC is always gonna win forever and ever and they will continnue to get lucky with their recruits. Also, USC didnt lose somebody "then went and got" somebody else, they just happened to get lucky that their backups werent busts.</p>

<p>Their coach got taken away from them (Butch Davis went to Cleveland), which impacted their recruiting class and their on-field results. All of his players that he recruited are now gone, and look at the results. A team that squeaks by North Carolina, loses to Georgia Tech, loses to Florida State, and gets blown out by LSU.</p>

<p>I don't think USC is always going to win forever. I never said that. But this year, they have so much talent, and they keep rolling along doing what they have been doing for years, that for me to say "Cal is going to win the Pac 10" would be ridicuolous. We weren't talking about forever. And no, I don't call getting a blue chip recruit, having him sit on the bench because he's a freshman, and then finally get a chance to start being "lucky". There was a reason he worked, he had talent when he was recruited, and went to USC, had to wait for a more talented player, then got his chance to shine. That's the sign of an elite program.</p>

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Their coach got taken away from them (Butch Davis went to Cleveland), which impacted their recruiting class and their on-field results. All of his players that he recruited are now gone, and look at the results. A team that squeaks by North Carolina, loses to Georgia Tech, loses to Florida State, and gets blown out by LSU.

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<p>You keep proving my point! DYNASTIES END!</p>

<p>USC's dynasty has no reason to end. Miami's had a reason to end. Their coach left. There is no difference in talent. There is no difference in coaching. There is no difference in recruiting. USC shows no sign of losing this year.</p>

<p>HELLLLOOOOOOO!!! They lost Leinart, Bush, and White! And dont give me that "oh they just reload and keep going", cuz thats not always true. There's no way USC is gonna be as good as they were last year, thats why I think Cal has a chance to win the PAC-10 crown.</p>