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<p>Rather than taking more OOS students, perhaps it is time for all of the Pell Grant -recipient graduates to start giving back to the university and the CA taxpayers. Now that they are equipped with a world-class, debt-free education at taxpayer expense, surely they can figure out how to budget at least $1,000 per year to give back to their alma maters, in order to preserve the UCs for the people who paid for them.</p>
<p>I've been down to SC a few times in the past five years and I got the feeling that funding for public education wasn't great in the state. There seems to be a ton of activity and organization for homeschoolers to avoid the public schools.</p>
<p>Stupid low-level Trader Joe's map that only showed relatively new stores, making me look like an idiot, grumble grumble...</p>
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Rather than taking more OOS students, perhaps it is time for all of the Pell Grant -recipient graduates to start giving back to the university and the CA taxpayers. Now that they are equipped with a world-class, debt-free education at taxpayer expense, surely they can figure out how to budget at least $1,000 per year to give back to their alma maters, in order to preserve the UCs for the people who paid for them.
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<p>Why just the Pell Grant recipients? Why not anyone who went to a UC and has become a productive member of society? When Harvard first announced their new financial aid programs, the Cal chancellor suggested that Cal alumni consider making donations to a fund that would provide a similar level of support for students.</p>
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<p>That would be wonderful, too, but full-pay students and their families have already paid for their education twice via state taxes and tuition.</p>
<p>UCSDdad, my brother was saying last night that among the engineering major friends of his son who recently graduated from a UC, many decided to leave CA when taking their first job. They went to work for companies that gave them location choice and many chose lower cost of living states where they could afford houses. Did your kids see this too?</p>
<p>As for the question of would it be fair to Californians to let in more from out of state, is it fair to those in Virginia, NC, Michigan, NY, Arizona.............?</p>
<p>And why don't UC grads pay it forward? Why don't they give generously? My friends who went to UC's don't feel loyalty to them in general. I asked my brother if he ever goes to reunions and he doesn't and isn't sure if they even have them.</p>
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<p>I'll defer to an econometrician to check the exact facts of the matter, but it is quite likely that higher education in California works as it does in most jurisdictions, serving as a large wealth transfer from the working poor to the school-attending rich. The name of one economist whose work you could check on this issue in general is Mark Blaug. There are other economists who study this issue. The least regressive way to provide taxpayer subsidies to education is to subsidize the youngest ages, the ages with universal attendance. That is a well-known contrast in national development policies: between the east Asian model of providing somewhat decent elementary schools for the entire population versus the African model of providing national universities for an elite subset of the population. Taiwan was once as poor as Zambia. It is now many, many times richer, because it pursued a less regressive national education policy.</p>
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I'll defer to an econometrician to check the exact facts of the matter, but it is quite likely that higher education in California works as it does in most jurisdictions, serving as a large wealth transfer from the working poor to the school-attending rich.
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<p>I doubt that CA works like other jurisdictions, because UCs (i.e., Cal and UCLA) have a higher rate of Pell-Grant students than other jurisdictions. At 30% PG, with a total of 60% on FA, it is likely that the ratio of poor-to-rich at the UCs is 50-50.</p>
<p><a href="Giving%20back%20to%20the%20UCs">quote</a> Why not anyone who went to a UC and has become a productive member of society?
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They haven't seen a lot of this but of course they've seen some. In some cases it was due to the opportunity rather than the location; for example, heading to Seattle so they could work at Microsoft, heading to DC so they could work for the federal government, etc.</p>
<p>It's tough for a new college grad, even engineering, to afford to purchase a house/condo in California even now so if that's a priority for them, which it doesn't seem to be for most new grads, then they could do better in most other areas of the country. However, within 2-3 years they should be able to afford at least a condo in a decent area in California. Circumstances are pretty individual though.</p>
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I wonder if this is partially because of the anonymous nature of a very large public U as well as the percentage of students attending them who don't come from a moneyed background? Fortunately though, there are some very wealthy associates and alums, such as Irwin Jacobs for UCSD (was a prof at UCSD and co-founded Qualcomm), Henry Samueli for UCLA and UCI (alum of UCLA and co-founder of Broadcom), and others who have given generously including a $110M donation by Jacobs to the UCSD school of engineering (now the 'Jacobs' school of engineering).</p>
<p>So I was just on UCSD's website and if I interpreted it correctly it states that only about 12% of its budget comes from the state of California for education. I'm not trying to trivialize any loss but if that 12% were decreased by 15% it would only result in about a 1.8% reduction in the budget. I haven't checked the other UCs.</p>
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<p>Yes, everyone's hurt by the present downturn, but California appears to be in much deeper than most states. No other state is facing a budget deficit anywhere near California's $40 billion to $50 billion gap. Sure, California's bigger than any other state, but its deficit is disproportionately large. There are lots of reasons for this. Unlike most states, California entered this fiscal year with a big deficit even BEFORE the markets collapsed. California's steeply progressive state income tax brings in gushers of money from top earners in boom times, but when the markets go down, the spigot is turned off, leaving relatively meager revenues. Meanwhile, the liberal-dominated state legislature is able to spend like mad in boom times, but they aren't "tax-and-spend" liberals because California state law makes it very difficult to raise taxes. So when the economy goes into a down cycle, there's little alternative but to make draconian cuts in a much more severe boom-and-bust swing than most state governments experience. Compounding all that, California's top public universities are far more heavily dependent on legislative appropriations than many of their public peers, so they get whacked harder in a state budget downturn. All in all, not a pretty picture. In fact, it's pretty much a bloodbath in California, far worse than in most states.</p>
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I've been pledging about $1200/year for the last 3 years. I plan to increase donations to my campus when I have freer cash flow (crimped lately because I bought a house). I guess I'm now one of those highly-leveraged Californian fools who lives well beyond my means.</p>
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Compounding all that, California's top public universities are far more heavily dependent on legislative appropriations than many of their public peers, so they get whacked harder in a state budget downturn.
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How much lower than 12% (UCSD example) typically are the 'many public peers' dependent on state legislative appropriations?</p>
<p>Efforts like this will certainly help the colleges and the economy:</p>
<p>hmom5:</p>
<p>Here's a related article regarding the benefit to the local economy by UCSD -</p>
<p>Ucsd, when I look at the CA economy, SD seems to be the place to be. The biotech industry has declared SD it's headquarters and the biotech industry will continue to explode this decade.</p>
<p>hmom5- Purely observation no concrete data. Friends of my kids and kids of my friends. Those who have left Ca are doing so for the experience of living in a different type of community. Many head to DC or NYC. Both places that are not inexpensive to live. Most are back in Ca within a few years if they can swing it. I also see just as many with the desire to try living in San Francisco. I tend to think where I live is not the real world and kids growing up here have a warped sense of reality. I would love for my kids to settle back here one day but I fully support and encourage them living somewhere else first.</p>
<p>I see the gap between the Latino population in school but what concerns me is the lack of desire to learn that I see in many of my kids classmates. Kids who come from parents who are highly educated.</p>
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Okay, but after you get here we shut the door. ;)</p>
<p>Mom60, what I saw growing up in CA is exactly what you say. Lots went to the E. Coast for the experience, many stayed and worked in NYC especially after college, and many returned after a few years. I guess I'm in that club though my stay in NYC was extended past the 5 years my mother still insists I promised at most. So I'm about 25 years late in her view.</p>
<p>What my brother is telling me is that he thinks many in our kid's generation are leaving for good. They are getting their UC educations and taking them OOS if they have the options. He points to engineers, nurses, accountants and so on who can make pretty much the same salaries other places while living much better. He insists there's no way our kids will follow us to CA!</p>
<p>His son had offers from companies that offered the same salary in LA, Dallas, Charlotte, Seattle, Columbus and several other places. He's engaged and thinks about things like schools and houses. CA wasn't even on his short list despite his wishing it could be.</p>
<p>And ucsd, you should be welcoming us with open arms, real estate is pretty depressed where you are right now (though La Jolla and such are still no bargain!), if we move there we help shore up your investment:)</p>
<p>6% UC enrollment cut voted in today by regents:
UC</a> cuts freshman enrollment by 6% | L.A. Now | Los Angeles Times
Regents</a> freeze senior managers' pay, reduce freshman enrollment / UCLA Today</p>
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Saying they could not avoid a painful decision, the University of California regents Wednesday voted to trim freshman enrollment for next fall by 2,300 students, or about 6%, as a response to reduced state funding during the worsening budget crisis.
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Under the plan, six of the nine UC undergraduate campuses will see significant cuts in their freshman classes in the fall. UC Irvine and UC San Diego, the hardest hit, are slated for reductions of about 12%, or 550 and 520 slots respectively, because they over-enrolled students in recent years, officials said.
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<p>UC</a> regents vote to shrink undergraduate enrollment</p>
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Under the plan approved Wednesday, the freshmen enrollment target would be reduced from 37,600 in 2008-09 to 35,300 in 2009-2010. Enrollment would be cut at the Davis, Irvine, Riverside, San Diego, Santa Barbara and Santa Cruz campuses; remain the same at Berkeley and UCLA; and grow at Merced.
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