UCs Consider Admitting More OOS to Boost Revenue

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<p>OK Coureur and other Californians, is this better than taking in some tuition paying out of state students? IMO, it's a political decision which they figure will result in fewer protesting at the State House. And nice of Yudof to freeze his almost million dollar compensation. What ever happened to public service?</p>

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OK Coureur and other Californians, is this better than taking in some tuition paying out of state students

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<p>It could be. This will result in less-crowded campuses, which benefits Californians more than filling up slots with OOS students would.</p>

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is this better than taking in some tuition paying out of state students

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If there are slots wasted, i.e. not allowed to be filled with IS, and the particular campus wasn't over-capacity like some seem to be, then it probably would make more sense to fill them with high-paying OOS if the additional costs wouldn't exceed the gains. It sure would be interesting to see the balance sheets though. I'll bet they could have made other low-impact cuts that could have saved at least some of these IS spots.</p>

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<p>It depends on how many OOS students they would have had to let in to get the same financial benefit. If the number of additional OOS admitted would have been greater than the 6% they cut, then the OOS approach would have been worse. If fewer then this cut approach is worse. Whichever approach results in fewer Californians admitted the UCs that their parents have been paying for all these years is the worse approach.</p>

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<p>Really stupid idea. Pushing kids out of strong UCs and into weak ones and throwing good money after bad.</p>

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<p>That's not a fair question. The likelihood of those campuses filling the 2300 slots with OOS kids in nil. Riverside? No way someone would pay $50k.</p>

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<p>It seems clear this will result in the displacement of many middle class CA kids. While the pundits gain PC outrage saying it will effect urm's, people in the know at UCs say they will use 'holistic admission' to not further reduce the already low number of urm's.</p>

<p>Combine this with the economy forcing more kids to go to state schools and it seems clear the pressure on UCB and UCLA will be enormous this year even with no cut in numbers (even though they want them to look spared). And the absence of money will effect all campuses.</p>

<p>Hard to believe this was anything but a PC solution. I'm disappointed in Yudof, thought he would take a less political approach and face the hard facts for the long term.</p>

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It seems clear this will result in the displacement of many middle class CA kids.

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<p>How do you come to this conclusion? The UC app asks for parent income for 2007 and 2008. It would make more financial sense for the UCs to displace the lowest income, financially neediest students.</p>

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<p>He is facing the hard facts. And one of the hardest facts is that he can't alienate the taxpayers and legislators in California who are paying the bills. If you think the UCs are hurting now, they'll be hurting ten times worse if the taxpayers decide they aren't getting their money's worth out of the UCs and close the spigot.</p>

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<p>The way I see it, the tax payers who yell loudest (educated middle class, much of the upper middle is alreay gone) will be the ones alienated by this plan. Their kids will get bumpded down in the system and when they get to the school they land at, classes will be hard to get and larger than ever, facilities will be poorly maintained and top profs will be making a hasty exit.</p>

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Riverside? No way someone would pay $50k.

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<p>UCR can be a good deal for an OOS student. COA is about $35k, not $50k. Also, more importantly, UCR's highly regarded biomed dep't is a feeder to UCLA medical school. For the right in-state or OOS student, going to UCR is a shrewd move.</p>

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<p>That's a great idea JusDis. There are so few guaranteed med programs people would probably sign up in droves. They could also easily put together something similarly attractive at the dreaded Merced.</p>

<p>The UCs are free to pick and choose where they want to bring OOS kids in. My point is I don't see how they can afford not to, most states reached that conclusion long ago.</p>

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COA is about $35k

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<p>Umm, no, check the math. UCR, like other UC campuses are $42-43k for OOS; UCR COA is $23k instate + the OOS portion of $20k (6700/qtr). I was using $50k as a round figure bcos its only gonna go up. </p>

<p>And, no, UCR's biomed department is not highly regarded. Yes, it does feed a handful of students to UCLA med, but the requirements aren't any different than applying from any other college, a bunch of A's and a good MCAT will do it. (But, think about what student population they are targeting.) But, yes, attending UCR as a premed is a shrewd move instate if only bcos it is not as competitive as Cal nor UCLA so the A's will come a LOT easier. But, for OOS, a premed just might as well stay home and attend their instate public -- easier A's than Cal or UCLA and cheaper: it's a two-fer.</p>

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<p>bluebayou -- you're right, the official UCR OOS COA is listed at $44k.</p>

<p>Have to disagree with you on UCR as a pre-med feeder. UCR and UCLA have a joint program where UCLA holds 24 seats a year at their med school exclusively for UCR pre-meds. Google the UCR/UCLA Thomas Haider Program to learn more.</p>

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<p>hmom5
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That's a great idea JusDis. There are so few guaranteed med programs people would probably sign up in droves. They could also easily put together something similarly attractive at the dreaded Merced.

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<p>"Merdread"? LOL. I toured the Merced campus. Interesting place. The classrooms, buildings, dorms, library are all very new and very state-of-the-art. The whole place just gleams. On the other hand, it's in the middle of a brown pasture and it's several miles to Merced, which ain't much of a destination. For students who like a quiet rural setting, it's very nice; for those who need weekend nightlife, it must drive them nuts.</p>

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<p><a href="Giving%20back%20to%20the%20UCs">quote</a> Why not anyone who went to a UC and has become a productive member of society?

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Presumably they are in the form of the significant taxes that have been discussed if they stay in California with a decent-high paying job.

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<p>Then that should apply to Pell Grant recipeints if they stay in CA. Same for people who had Cal Grants, or low-cost federal loans, or merit money. Let's stipulate that all of those well-employed grads end up contributing to CA coffers by paying property and income taxes. No reason why all of us UC grads, regardless of receiving aid or not, can't also be asked to contribute directly.</p>

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<p>JusDis: yes, I am acute aware of the UCR connection to UCLA med. But, in the big picture it does not mean as much as it appears on the surface. Taking the top 24 students out of a class of ~4,000 grads? Heck, those kids should have the stats to be admitted to numerous med schools..... </p>

<p>Of course, as I opined earlier earning A's in Riverside is bound to be a lot easier than earning A's at UCLA.</p>

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UCR and UCLA have a joint program where UCLA holds 24 seats a year at their med school exclusively for UCR pre-meds.

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UCR's developing a School of Medicine so that'll likely change the picture.</p>

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Under the plan approved Wednesday, the freshmen enrollment target would be reduced from 37,600 in 2008-09 to 35,300 in 2009-2010. Enrollment would be cut at the Davis, Irvine, Riverside, San Diego, Santa Barbara and Santa Cruz campuses; remain the same at Berkeley and UCLA; and grow at Merced.

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Wait a minute though - they're planning to make admission cuts at the UCss that are already over-enrolled due to higher than expected yields in the last year or two and they plan to increase enrollment at the UC that's under-enrolled and in a growth mode. How is this any different than what they would have done to level the number of students anyway despite the economy? </p>

<p>I still wonder how much of this is arm-waiving to try to keep as big of a piece of pie as possible and might not be as dire as reported.</p>