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<p>Although it is true that CC is easier than UC and those who are having a hard time at CC will most likely have an even more difficult time at UC; there’s no need to act like such an arrogant tool. The differences can be highlighted in a much less condescending way.</p>
<p>It’s really disgusting to read the elitist BS that you are spewing.</p>
<p>You know…you’re right that I’m being condescending however I’m not an elitist. Are you sure you knows what that means? I never said that I was a member of the “elite” and that others weren’t. </p>
<p>CC classes are obviously easier than UC classes, the point was that it is ridiculous that high school kids who have 3.9’s and 2100 on there SAT are going to the same institution as people with 2.8’s from CC. High school students who can manage a 3.9 in high school can obviously perform better than a 2.8 in community college, the UC admissions process doesn’t seem to care about the discrepancy in the standard of students they accept. I find that amazing.</p>
<p>and the word “tool” is so reminiscent of middle school. I can only hope that most college students can articulate a better way to describe someone who they disagree with.</p>
<p>just get the gpa up.
you can do it</p>
<p>[YouTube</a> - Ice Cube - U can do it](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKxrNz8x4Z4#t=0m30s]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKxrNz8x4Z4#t=0m30s)</p>
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<p>one real semester? okay id love for you to come and take on the work load i have now along with the rest of my life and say its easy because its not. you yourself said you transfered to ucb well than you must not be all that smart either if you had to go to a jc and do it rather then getting in as a freshman.
this thread wasnt started to talk about if classes at a cc were up to par with classes at a uc.
if ive been able to transfer out with 60 units in less than a year and my only bad grades were my first semester than Im sure as hell that i will be able to handle it.
please pull the stick out of your ass and get out of the thread.</p>
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<p>Your arrogance is deplorable. Pseudo-intellectuals like yourself give Berkeley a bad name.</p>
<p>Although it may be true that getting into UCLA/UCB as a freshmen is more difficult than getting in as a transfer, this does not mean that transfer students are undeserving of the fine institutions they attend. Furthermore, if you look at data that compares the GPA of students who started as freshmen and graduate vs. students who started as juniors (transfers) and graduate, you will see that there is virtually no difference between their graduating GPAs. Here is an article that demonstrates such for students majoring in Natural Resources & Sciences.</p>
<p>[Academic</a> Performance of Transfer versus “Native” Students in Natural Resources & Sciences](<a href=“http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst;jsessionid=LBJKnSKL1yL59gQ8hhYB2LLVyJDs2jyM123ZfdThGQMTpTvQz7zY!1161961412!-368539431?docId=5010966768]Academic”>http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst;jsessionid=LBJKnSKL1yL59gQ8hhYB2LLVyJDs2jyM123ZfdThGQMTpTvQz7zY!1161961412!-368539431?docId=5010966768)</p>
<p>As you can see the implication that “high school students can do better” is false. In terms of academic success, transfer students are on par with high school students. Although this may not hold on a case-by-case basis, studies have shown that in the aggregate it is true.</p>
<p>On a final note; whether the word “tool” reminds you of middle school or the fact that I disagree with you has nothing to do with the fact that you are, beyond a doubt, a tool.</p>
<p>That sounds like a flawed way of evaluating transfer vs. non transfer students, IMO. </p>
<p>A better way would be to compare the GPA/grad rate of junior transfers with the GPA/grad rate of freshman applicants who have achieved junior status. </p>
<p>Also, if it was true that there is no substantial difference between CC transfer students and 4 year students, it would be in the interest of private schools to accept as many CC transfers as 4 year school transfers. But that is not the case. </p>
<p>The reason UC’s accept so many CC applicants is simply because it’s cheaper. Why else would they favor CC students so much?</p>
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<p>wrong again, I went to cc because of financial reasons. I worked part time and took care of a sick relative. Unlike yourself, I was accepted to universities out of high school (even got one regents scholarship).</p>
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<p>this thread is not yours this is a community forum in which many people can partake. This thread will obviously serve no more purpose than for the discussion you desired. You merely started this thread. You have no possession of it, calm down.</p>
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<p>I guess we know who the real elitists are now. Again, do you know what that means?</p>
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<p>yes it does. you just contradicted your own argument. stick with me, because this might get a little confusing:</p>
<p>Because it is more difficult to get into UC’s from high school then ***higher ***caliber students are being accepted from high school, then _____ caliber students are being accepted from community college. (now what’s the opposite of higher?)</p>
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<p>that’s fantastic. I’m not sure why you wrote this.
junior transfers don’t have to take “weed out” classes that freshmen admits do. They just have to take upper division classes, mostly in their major. These classes don’t have large numbers of students, an enormous curve, lots of competition, more material…weed out classes do. I would expect that GPA and graduation rates to be similar (even higher) for transfer students because we’ve taken cake classes since freshmen year.</p>
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<p>weed out classes again are nonexistent in community college.</p>
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<p>this makes me laugh because you are actually upset. Please keep using the work “tool”. It makes me know that you have no other device left to argue with other than name calling. :D</p>
<p>kiss and makeup u 2.</p>
<p>but in cc usually in higher level courses they are weeder courses.</p>
<p>ever wonder why at the beginning of the semester its max capacity and by the time its finals there’s only half or less still standing?</p>
<p>these people that drop for one reason or another are basically “weeded” out… some come back, some change majors, etc etc.</p>
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<p>this is true in the aspect of higher level courses (which is a commodity in community colleges) but weed out courses are *introductory *courses designed to scare students away from popular majors by weighing them down with excessive amounts of work. </p>
<p>half the class doesn’t D/F/W in English 1A or Sociology 1 in community college. On the contrary, these classes are considered hard at the real college level because so many students take them, the workload is very much, the tests are very long, the material covered is so much, the time to cover the material is so much. That and the fact that there is only 1 exam and a final that makes up your entire grade for the term.</p>
<p>lol!</p>
<p>Back to the OP though: What’s your major? If it’s not a competitive one then I know dudes who got in to SB with a 2.8.</p>
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<p>This is a false comparison. You are implying that a “high caliber” student is superior to a “high caliber” transfer student. The two are not part of the same group; they are incomparable. Your logic stems from your original assumption that “high school students can do better;” which, in my earlier post, I demonstrated why the statement is false. It sickens me that you argue that transfer students are undeserving of their new universities.</p>
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<p>False. First off, rarely do non-impacted majors have weeder courses. Thus many students will never actually take a weeder course. Only those who are majoring in business, economics, and many other impacted majors need to take those weeder courses. Do not kid yourself and think transfers are exempt from this. For example, at UCLA, junior transfer econ majors need to take Econ 11, 41 and 101, the three main Econ weeder courses at UCLA. The intro courses Econ 1 and 2 combined are nowhere near as competitive as those 3. You will find non-econ majors taking those intro classes for GE credit. Furthermore, junior transfer accounting minors are required to take MGMT 120A, 120B, 122, and 127A. These are very competitive; junior transfers cannot avoid those weeder classes.</p>
<p>Moreover, upper division classes generally require more work than lower division courses. Transfers are immediately thrown into these more difficult courses without getting a feel for the university first. On the other hand, freshmen have had two full years of adapting to their institution’s environment, they should be more prepared for their upper divs. Nonetheless, as I posted earlier, the aggregate GPA of graduating students who started as freshmen vs those who transferred are relatively the same. I repeat again, the implication “high school students can do better” is false.</p>
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<p>What makes me laugh is the fact that your arguments are flawed yet you are convinced that you are infallible (as do all pseudo-intellectuals). I find it extraordinarily amusing. </p>
<p>Please keep entertaining tool.</p>
<p>Love,
Ramga</p>
<p>There is certainly some truth to that high school students have a harder time gaining admission.</p>
<p>As in, it’s way harder to get accepted out of high school than it is out of community college. That’s pretty indisputable. Does that mean the transfers don’t “deserve” to go there? No. The school is set up how it is, and transferring is easier than freshman admissions. The admissions committee decides who is deserving, not the students that go there.</p>
<p>I do think the argument that transfers do just as well as the kids there for four years is silly and flawed though. They might graduate with similar GPA’s, but for the most part they didn’t have to go through all the tough introductory courses the other kids took. There are SOME exceptions (someone pointed out Economics earlier), but for practically all hard science majors, the intro courses would be way harder at the UC than the CC. Also, it’s certainly easier to maintain a high GPA after taking 2 years of hard classes vs. 4 years of hard classes.</p>
<p>I’m not making any statements about who I think does better, just pointing out that it’s not a solid comparison to make. If I saw a comparison about just “grades earned in junior/senior year”, that would be much more telling than cumulative GPA upon graduation.</p>
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<p>3.5 is top 15% and 2.8 is average.</p>
<p>in 2 words: no curves</p>
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<p>that’s what is even more sad. </p>
<p>The average transfer admit to UC is a 2.8 from community college. Are these students equal to those that have gotten near perfect grades in high school? </p>
<p>No but they are accepted to the same institutions. </p>
<p>A source for the numbers would be appreciated.</p>
<p>“The average transfer admit to UC is a 2.8 from community college. Are these students equal to those that have gotten near perfect grades in high school?”</p>
<p>you cannot compare the two because they are in totally different leagues… in addition there is a difference of two years and that constitutes alot of “experience”</p>
<p>thats just how i see it.</p>
<p>cc’s do not revolve around gpa alone… there are more things to CC’s than just transfers / gpas / etc etc…</p>
<p>we should seriously stop nitpicking and hold hands and sing we are the world<33</p>
<p>Haha nice post pmsko.</p>
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<p>Again (why can’t you get this?), I’m saying that the lowest caliber students at CC (the ones that have 2.8’s) are the ones attending the same schools as the high caliber students in high school (the ones that have 3.9’s and 2100 on the SAT). Now even a scholar like yourself should be able to comprehend why I think that’s unfair. </p>
<p>If you still don’t quite get it, let’s look at on a single case basis.</p>
<p>Sally got a 3.8 GPA and 2110 on her SAT’s. She has taken 6 AP classes and has gotten 4’s and 5’s on each one. Her grades aren’t good enough for privates, UC Berkeley or UCLA but she has high hopes for UCSD, UCD, or UCI. She ends up going to UCSD.</p>
<p>Joe got a 2.4 and a 1550 on the SAT in high school. Didn’t take any AP classes, graduated high school in the bottom 10% and ended up going to CC because no university wanted him. He took classes at community college and ended up getting a cool 2.8 GPA, not much of an improvement from high school. He heard about something called the TAG program that guarantees transfer students admission to UC’s. He ends up going to UCSD.</p>
<p>Now, like LogicWarrior said, the average CC GPA is a 2.8. Take a look at the admission statistics from:</p>
<p>UCSD: [University</a> of California - Admissions](<a href=“http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/selecting/camp_profiles/camp_profiles_ucsd.html]University”>http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/selecting/camp_profiles/camp_profiles_ucsd.html)</p>
<p>(Average GPA: 4.08)</p>
<p>UC Davis: [University</a> of California - Admissions](<a href=“http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/selecting/camp_profiles/camp_profiles_ucd.html]University”>http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/selecting/camp_profiles/camp_profiles_ucd.html)</p>
<p>(Average GPA: 4.00)</p>
<p>UC Irvine: [University</a> of California - Admissions](<a href=“http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/selecting/camp_profiles/camp_profiles_uci.html]University”>http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/selecting/camp_profiles/camp_profiles_uci.html)</p>
<p>(Average GPA: 4.01)</p>
<p>Do you really think that CC students who pass with a 2.8 GPA could hack it in high school with those kind of stats?</p>
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<p>Now this is your false comparison, most high school admits do go through the weed out classes causing their GPA to be deflated. Whether you like it or not, CC students don’t and receive a generous GPA inflation.</p>
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<p>Impacted majors are the ones that are most heavily sought after. They are the ones that are overloaded with students. As you correctly identified, there are many other impacted majors like Chemistry, Cognitive Science, Economics, Legal Studies, Mass Communication, Political Economy of Industrial Societies, Psychology, Social Welfare…which comprise most of the student body. Alongside this, classes like English 24 at Cal have an average grade of B- which freshmen take to fulfill their GE requirement. </p>
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<p>This assumption is incorrect. I’m in a lower division class right now (ochem), it requires much more work than any of my upper division business, psychology, or lit classes. All MCB students and even the professors agreee that MCB and IB (int. Bio) classes like Bio 1A are much more difficult than the upper level ones where there aren’t as many students competing for a good grade. </p>
<p>Imagine a class where 600 students are taking a test. You get an 80% which is considered a C because the average grade was an 87%. This is a hallmark of weed out courses like Psych, Chem, English, Bio, ect. All freshmen students must take them for their GE’s or major and most students don’t have the luxury of going to community college to get a passing grade. Upper division classes don’t have as many students, the grades are not deflated as much, and overall students can mess up on a few questions on a test and still do well.</p>
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<p>Unfortunately, your statistic is not measuring the same GPA. As I said, freshmen admits go through a much more rigorous course load than transfers by means of lower division major requirements and GE’s. It is very convenient to say “look! the GPA’s of graduating transfers and 4-year students is the same therefore they perform the same”. However the graduating GPA doesn’t take into account how much of a hit the freshmen admits GPA took over the 4 years of university level classes. </p>
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<p>What has satisfied me thus far is that you are becoming increasingly irritated every time someone opposes your point of view. This is a naive quality that makes you look more and more like a child.</p>
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<p>The grammar on this is wrong. :)</p>
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<p>true, experience is an important component in the transfer admission process but freshmen applicants also write about their experience in the exact same way transfers do (work, EC’s, essay). </p>
<p>One could argue that experience is more important in the freshmen application process because for them, both personal statements are about their experiences so far, unlike transfers.</p>
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<p>:D I like it. :D</p>
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